RE: ratios

[Scott Granados <scott () graphidelix net>]

I guess one of the concerns it the definition of peer.  The policies as 
I read bhem by cnw and uunet seem to be so overly restrictive that none 
of the newer carriers will meet them.  I've litterllly, not from uunet 
and or cw but from other carriers received responses to peering requests 
"Well your to small to peer but we have great transit pricing in the 
areas you requested."  This is after I offered to meet them at the three 
east, west, and central mae's, a coupee if diverse paix's, and Chicago.  
If the concern is economics than peering ss much as possible and in a 
less restrictive manner makes the most sense.  The target here is to  
provide the best possible service to customers which certainly ocould be 
other carriers, but are most likely more other end users.  If 
performance is better it will in many cases be an easier sell.  More 
than a few times prospective customers were very concerned with peering 
and interconnection.  But then again I was up against uunet in a play to 
get a customer and uunet promised this customer they could globally 
route and announce to its peers /30's or longer.  :)  I certainly 
couldn't make such claims.  I'm mentioning this because it seems in all 
companies, not just uunet claims are maid but frequently not backed up 
by technical good sense.  I guess its like most things there are many 
approaches and certainly not everyone will agree to each approach.

I just can't see cases when not peering is better assuming the basic 
requirements are met to insure proper technical performance.
On Thu, 
9 May 2002, David Barak wrote:

> On Thu, 9 May 2002, Scott Granados wrote:
> > The only thing I can say is I wish they would just publically 
> > acknowledge that fact.  If uunet and cw don't wish to peer they should 
> > just not have a peering policy.
>
> come now, UU and C&W both have a substantive number of peers.  Their
> policies tend toward equating the routing concept of "peer" with the
> english-language concept of "peer" meaning "equal."  
>
> The whole argument is that settlement-free-interconnection is only
> worthwhile if both parties benefit more than they would lose if they did
> not interconnect.
>
> The economics of this will tend to encourage smaller providers to be more
> liberal with peering agreements, and larger providers to be less
> liberal.  Does this still seem unfair?
>
> David Barak
> WorldCom
>
> "Quis custodes ipsos custodiet?" - Juvenal