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Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
From: Bruce Campbell <bc () vicious dropbear id au>
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:17:17 +0200 (CEST)
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, John Payne wrote:
I found it interesting to note that a significant number of cctld servers ignore the suggestions for root-servers in BCP40/RFC2870... "Other major zone server operators (gTLDs, ccTLDs, major zones) may also find it useful." and leave recursion enabled on the ccTLD servers (2.5) - the old ns.eu.net was one of these, I believe RIPE have done the right thing with the new one.
A lot of the older secondary nameservers for ccTLDs were also the recursive nameservers for the ISP/Organisation providing the secondary service. ns.eu.net is a classic example of this. With the valid quips about how long it takes to update glue/NS sets in the roots[1], a fair number of these ISPs/Organisations had found that shifting the ccTLD secondary function to a proper non-recursive server[2] was simply not practical. --==-- Bruce. [1] teckla.apnic.net, trf.nic.ad.jp, etc[3] [2] Some ISPs do still 'need' to allow recursion to cater for their roaming customers. imo, customers are easier to change than the root. [3] some quick stats on the hosts mentioned in the root ('.') zone from a viewpoint in Amsterdam: Number of records: 657 Number of fully valid hosts: 481 Number of partially valid hosts: 110 Number of invalid hosts: 175 Number with reverse matching: 455 Number knowing about themselves: 551 Number not knowing about themselves: 106 fully valid = all of the nameservers for the domain the nameserver is in know about the nameserver (all NS for example.com answer for for ns1.example.com) partially valid = some of the NS for the domain the nameserver is in do not know about the nameserver in question. Note that the answer is skewed slightly due to multiple answers received. invalid hosts = This host only exists in the root glue. No nameservers for the domain the nameserver is in know about the nameserver. Answer possibly skewed due to my assumption in what the 'parent' domain for the nameserver is (cut -d '.' -f 2-) reverse match = name -> A -> PTR == name knowing about self = Asking the ip in the root glue for the name gives a sensible answer. (imo, this is a Good Thing, but unfortunately I don't believe that any exact requirement for this exists)
Current thread:
- Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server., (continued)
- Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Joao Luis Silva Damas (Jun 05)
- Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Daniel Concepcion (Jun 06)
- RE: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Neil J. McRae (Jun 06)
- Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Daniel Concepcion (Jun 06)
- Updates to the root zone Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Sean Donelan (Jun 06)
- Re: Updates to the root zone Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Måns Nilsson (Jun 06)
- Re: Updates to the root zone Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Randy Bush (Jun 06)
- Re: Updates to the root zone Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Simon Lyall (Jun 06)
- Re: Updates to the root zone Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Kurt Erik Lindqvist (Jun 07)
- Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Daniel Concepcion (Jun 06)
- Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. John Payne (Jun 06)
- Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Bruce Campbell (Jun 11)
- Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Joao Luis Silva Damas (Jun 05)
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- Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Joao Luis Silva Damas (Jun 06)
- Re: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Jared Mauch (Jun 06)
- Re: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Måns Nilsson (Jun 06)
- Re: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Kurt Erik Lindqvist (Jun 07)
- Re: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Stephen J. Wilcox (Jun 06)
- Re: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server. Chrisy Luke (Jun 06)