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Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...
From: "Eric A. Hall" <ehall () ehsco com>
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 23:49:00 -0500
"Charles Sprickman" <spork () inch com>
NAT has it's place, and we have many happy customers that are quite pleased with their NAT'd connections; some simple, some fancy.
NATs are a band-aid.
What irks me more than NAT are crappy protocols like FTP and H.323 that make too many assumptions about how much of my machine I am willing to expose in order to communicate using these protocols.
FTP was designed for ARPANET, H.323 was designed to work over ANY packet network. Neither of them were designed for TCP/IP in particular. They don't break the end-to-end design principles though. Neither do network games, chat tools, and other peer-to-peer protocols that run in elected-server or server-to-server modes. The fact is that I can write an Internet-compliant application in about two minutes that will break every NAT ever sold, simply because they don't have a proxy for the protocol. NATs violate fundamental Internet principles. They were broken from the start.
Current thread:
- Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Roeland Meyer (Sep 06)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Doug Clements (Sep 06)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Bob K (Sep 06)
- Re[2]: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Richard Welty (Sep 06)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Bob K (Sep 06)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Charles Sprickman (Sep 06)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Eric A. Hall (Sep 06)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Roeland Meyer (Sep 06)
- RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Tony Hain (Sep 06)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... David Howe (Sep 06)
- RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Jim Shankland (Sep 06)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Eric A. Hall (Sep 06)
- RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Mike Batchelor (Sep 07)
- RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Brian Whalen (Sep 09)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Christian Kuhtz (Sep 09)
- RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Tony Hain (Sep 06)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Doug Clements (Sep 06)
- Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... Josh Richards (Sep 06)