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Re: Getting an AS and /18
From: David R Huberman <huberman () gblx net>
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:33:41 -0700 (MST)
Please understand that the rules are different for cable providers. They are required to SWIP only to their head-ends, but it must be SWIP, not RWHOIS. This is typically a small number of SWIPs, as you SWIP out to geographically-central head-ends. /david
Andy, I just went through all this myself. I'm not a cable modem provider, so the rules may be slightly different. In the beginning, I had SWIP'd records. However, as most net admins, I had fallen way behind on this. Here's what I did to rectify my problem: a) Created a spreadsheet listing parent CIDR delgations from our upstream. Broke those out into subnets that we delegate to customers, ping scan them periodically, and get a max utilization. Sum your total current space and max usage, get a percentage. So long as the company holds 1 ip over a /19, they are eligible for a /18 AFAIK. b) Apply for an ASN at this point. Tell ARIN you are going to be multihoming, and can provide signed contracts with ISP's proving this. Without multihoming, you don't need an ASN -- your upstream should be more than happy to announce your address space for you later on. c) Take all that spreadsheet data, and throw it into an rwhois server. For a /20 worth of addresses, this took me the better part of 3-4 days of data entry. I would expect it would take one person 12-16 days for a /18 worth of addresses. Need it faster? Throw more people at data entry. d) Get your rwhoisd server up and running. By this time, you should have your ASN number (took us about 1 week). Fill out the IPv4 request template. Send it in. After a day or two, they'll email you back asking you a few things about your policies on how you decide how many IP's a customer gets. I think that they just want to hear the policies that they have on their website (i.e. target 80% utilization within 3 months). 1 week later you should have an allocation. e) Start migrating stuff over. When you make delegations in your new /18, put them in your rwhois server. You'll need it when you go back to ask for more address space in a year, and why go through all this stress more than once. If they give you grief about a /18, ask for a /19 and ask them to "reserve" the other /19 space within a /18. Prove to them that you are effectively utilizing the /19 and they'll probably give/sell you the other half. Someone else here mentioned that the folks at ARIN are truly helpful -- They are. I emailed them a few times asking for clarification on some of the forms, and I had answers within the hour. My $0.02, and I just turned up my ASN and my netblock today! On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 05:50:55PM -0700, Andy Ellifson wrote:Bob said it better than myself. I just want help compling with ARIN's rules and justifications to get some address space for this customer. When the documentation comes back wanting signed contracts, receipts for the equipment, SWIP information......... and so on... It seems like a daunting task. I nor the customer have never been through this before. I just wanted to get input from someone that has gone through it before. I certainly wouldn't want ARIN handing out a /18 to a business that will never utilize it. I understand why the rules and justifications are in place. --- Bob K <melange () yip org> wrote:So re-reading Andy's post, I think people have misread it - he doesn't appear to be asking for help in circumventing ARIN's procedures, he wants help in following it, if one notes the actual questions he asks:Does ARIN require a ton of SWIPS be present for the customerbeforethey will issue address space?Does anyone know of a person they can talk to at ARIN to helpwiththis process?But that's just my take on it. On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Daniel Golding wrote:I suspect this is a troll. However, I'll take the bait... Why should this organization get any sort of special treatment?Because theyhave been too slack to properly SWIP their blocks? Because theydon't feellike submitting the proper documentation? You posit that the customer genuinely needs the address space. Howdo we, asan Internet community discover that? The only way is documentation. I find it rather hard to believe that an organization without anAS,qualifies for a /18, based on the published criteria - they didtake thetime to read those, right? Andy, you request help to circumvent a process that is far fromperfect, yetis our best hedge against the unscrupulous. I suppose the bestadvise forthem is to hire a consultant who is fully conversant in theprocedures forobtaining address spaces and an AS number. That's their best bet. - Daniel Golding-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu]OnBehalf OfAndy Ellifson Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 6:50 PM To: nanog () merit edu Subject: Getting an AS and /18 I have a customer that is a cable modem provider. They submittedtheform to request an AS and some address space. The response fromARINwanted a ton of documentation. I understand why ARIN requiresall ofthe documentation. Does ARIN require a ton of SWIPS be presentfor thecustomer before they will issue address space? This customergenuinelyneeds the address space but doesn't have the time to gather upall theinformation that is 'required'. Does anyone know of a personthey cantalk to at ARIN to help with this process? -Andy Ellifson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/-- Bob <melange () yip org> | Stop dwelling and start living.===== Andy Ellifson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/-- Marius Strom <marius () marius org> Professional Geek/Unix System Administrator URL: http://www.marius.org/ http://www.marius.org/marius.pgp 0xF5D89089 *updated 2001-02-26* It is a natural law. Physics tells us that for every action, there must be an equal and opposite reaction. 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- Getting an AS and /18 Andy Ellifson (Jul 02)
- Re: Getting an AS and /18 David R Huberman (Jul 02)
- Re: Getting an AS and /18 Marius Strom (Jul 02)
- RE: Getting an AS and /18 Daniel Golding (Jul 02)
- RE: Getting an AS and /18 Bob K (Jul 02)
- RE: Getting an AS and /18 David R Huberman (Jul 02)
- RE: Getting an AS and /18 Andy Ellifson (Jul 02)
- Re: Getting an AS and /18 Marius Strom (Jul 02)
- Re: Getting an AS and /18 David R Huberman (Jul 02)
- SWIP update intervals (was: Re: Getting an AS and /18) Christopher A. Woodfield (Jul 03)
- Re: SWIP update intervals (was: Re: Getting an AS and /18) Joseph T. Klein (Jul 03)
- Re: SWIP update intervals (was: Re: Getting an AS and /18) Mitch Halmu (Jul 03)
- Re: SWIP update intervals (was: Re: Getting an AS and /18) Randy Bush (Jul 03)
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