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RE: [OT]: Involuntary outages may start at 7am PST


From: "Kavi, Prabhu" <prabhu_kavi () tenornetworks com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:25:43 -0500


Quoting from the 1/22/01 online issue of US News & World Report:

"Ironically, California's nightmare stems in part from the state's efforts
to lower rates. In 1996, both houses of the state legislature voted
unanimously to deregulate the market for wholesale electricity, enabling
power producers to sell electricity to utilities on the spot market. But the
new law failed to create a free retail market-in most cases, rates for
consumers and businesses were fixed until at least April 2002.  ...
No major power plant has been built in California for more than a
decade, partly because of environmental restrictions."

And in the 1/29/01 online issue:

"... In California, however, utilities were forbidden to enter into 
long-term supply contracts and were forced immediately to buy energy 
in the volatile wholesale spot market."

So tell me, how could PG&E have accurately forecasted the booming
demand for power back in 1996 and protected themselves, given no
new plants were being built?

Prabhu

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Oberman [mailto:oberman () es net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 1:04 PM
To: Kavi, Prabhu
Cc: Nathan Stratton; Sean Donelan; nanog () merit edu
Subject: Re: [OT]: Involuntary outages may start at 7am PST 


From: "Kavi, Prabhu" <prabhu_kavi () tenornetworks com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:06:07 -0500
Sender: owner-nanog () merit edu


Uh, PG&E does buy power at the market.  They are simply
not allowed to sell power at the market price, which is
the root cause of the problem.

Deregulation tends to work when both sides are fully
deregulated (buying and selling).  Crimping the 
creation of new power plants and being forced to sell
essentially unlimited amounts of power at a nearly 
fixed price caused this mess.  Blame the environmentalists
and politicians, not PG&E.

No, blame PG&E (and So. Cal. Edison), at least in part.

PG&E made a bet that energy prices would not increase dramatically
before 2002. PG&E proposed the price freeze with the notion that
competition among suppliers would bring down prices and they would
continue to sell at the old rates, raking in excellent profits.

PG&E lost, big time, when the poorly designed electrical market in the
western states ended up charging massively increased prices which PG&E
and they were locked into their freeze commitment.

Once again, the freeze was proposed by PG&E. They made their bed.

It is, of course, vastly more complicated than this. The deal also
included bonds to pay off existing capital debts and a requirement
that PG&E get out of the power generation business. (PG&E proposed
these, too.) At the time it looked like a super-sweetheart  deal for
the power companies. Time has shown otherwise. But they knew what they
were doing and they lost.

Speaking only for myself,

R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
E-mail: oberman () home com                   Phone: +1 510 486-8634



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