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Re: Update for noc .nl problem..


From: Scott Walker <scott () unspeakable org>
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:19:20 -0500


They wouldn't even consider that.. They said email abuse () home nl and wait for
a response... Which is all good for spam, etc.. but something like what happened
to us.. a 24 hour response could be too much..

Quoting J Bacher <jb () jbacher com>:

At 03:22 PM 2/23/01 +0000, you wrote:

I'm curious - how many ISPs hold to this kind of policy of being tight-lipped
until subpoenaed?

Personally, I'm kind of glad to see this response from @home. I know I would
want to see an ISP I used do the same thing if confronted by The Law. Maybe
that's just the Bill of Rights lover in me.

Having said that, it sucks that they're forcing you to get the lawyers and the
cops involved. I'd often prefer to see things handled on an informal basis of
professional courtesy. Especially when real damage is done such as in your 
case.

We follow the same policy of not handing out client information without a 
legally binding document requiring us to do so.

However, we do use our AUP to prevent further access if we have sufficient 
-evidence- of a violation.   A severe violation may result in access being 
removed first while we conduct an internal investigation to determine the 
extent of the violation that took place.

Providing client information is only useful for civil or criminal 
charges.  What the individual under attack needs is access revoked and, for 
that need, we respond immediately.


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