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Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks?
From: Shawn McMahon <smcmahon () eiv com>
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:13:50 -0400
On Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 05:34:05PM +0200, Peter van Dijk wrote:
The ORBS approach: Put people on the list quickly, and make it easy for them to get back off the list.This statement is in no way a political basis for ORBS.
That's right; it's a very simplified technical description of what happens. You can get on the list after a single automatic test; not multiple complaints, not after being warned and refusing to fix things; just bang zoom, you're on. I was not value-judging it, nor was I attempting to speak to their motivations, I was describing what happens.
That's because MAPS is not automated, and not objective. MAPS relies on reports of abuse, which can be forged. IIRC MAPS does check if a server is an open relay. If it didn't I would rant :)
Again, nobody said it was objective. I was describing at a very high level how it works. As you will see from the rest of the discussion, the difference is important because spam relays can be objectively tested, but script kiddie harbors are going to be subjective. That's an important distinction for our discussion, don't you agree?
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- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks?, (continued)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? Stephen Stuart (Jul 08)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? Peter van Dijk (Jul 08)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? Stephen Stuart (Jul 08)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? Steve Sobol (Jul 08)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? Richard Irving (Jul 08)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? Peter van Dijk (Jul 09)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? John Payne (Jul 09)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? J Bacher (Jul 09)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? Greg A. Woods (Jul 09)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? Scott McGrath (Jul 10)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? Shawn McMahon (Jul 08)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? Peter van Dijk (Jul 08)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? Rodney Joffe (Jul 08)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? Steve Sobol (Jul 08)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? Dan Hollis (Jul 07)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? John Kristoff (Jul 07)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? Shawn McMahon (Jul 07)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? John Kristoff (Jul 07)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? Rodney Joffe (Jul 07)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? Dan Hollis (Jul 07)
- Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? Valdis . Kletnieks (Jul 07)