Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion

["Alex P. Rudnev" <alex () virgin relcom eu net>]

Anyway it's better do not touch this heap of troubles named ORBS. Those who
wanted did protected themself by filtering them out; if you open some kind of
lawsuite it force them to change the provider, not more - and cause sysadmins to
protect themselves once more... Don't trouble troubles and troubles don't
trouble you -:).

I do not want discuss if ORBS is good or bad - it EXIST.



On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, William Allen Simpson wrote:

> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 23:02:47 -0500
> From: William Allen Simpson <wsimpson () greendragon com>
> To: nanog () merit edu
> Subject: Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion
>
>
> Dean Anderson wrote:
> > I would like to get your opinions on this.
> My opinion is that you should sue them vigorously -- and lose.  This 
> would help the rest of us immensely by providing a solid precedent for 
> common carrier liability regarding the activities of our subscribers. 
>
> My technical evaluation is that you were discovered to be operating an 
> open relay, you have been notified that you are operating an open relay, 
> and have failed to secure your open relay.  Thus, through your own
> deliberate action, the publication that you operate an open relay 
> constitutes an invitation to use the open relay.  Your failure to 
> enforce secure authorization practices is negligent, and you have 
> failed to abate a public nuisance.
>
> Whether your threat to encourage illegal penetration of another's system 
> is criminal should be brought to the proper authorities for evaluation.
>
> I'm sure that many of us would be happy to testify on behalf of Netgate.
>
> WSimpson () UMich edu
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Aleksei Roudnev,
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