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RE: California electric power on the ragged edge


From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer () mhsc com>
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:25:49 -0700


Greg A. Woods
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 7:58 AM

[ On Friday, August 4, 2000 at 12:19:05 (+0100), Alex Bligh
wrote: ]
Subject: Re: California electric power on the ragged edge

Larger customers (data centers) can indeed use separate
transmission
arrangements if appropriate. The subway system here does
deals
power deals in London with dig (it self generates too), and
so do various other slightly unexpected utilities.

Would it make sense for a datacentre in Sunny Calif. to become
its own
generating facility and of course to resell its excess power
back to the
grid?  Burning diesel to generate electricity is obviously not
cost
effective nor is it environmentally friendly when done in any
concentration, but perhaps a sufficiently large bank of solar
panels and
some wind power on the roof too, as well as a big enough bank
of
batteries would allow someone to buy only cheap power overnight
to top
up the batteries while the sun doesn't shine, selling excess
generation
capacity back to the grid when the sun shines bright while the
wind
blows!  I don't know what the economics of building a battery
bank that
big are though, not to mention the zoning regulations on
having big sun
and wind collectors might be....

Wouldn't work. Many have the large battery packs in their UPS
systems. However, every Kwh you sell back reduces your power-fail
reserves by that same amount. You would actually have to
over-build reserve capacity in order to do this and still survive
a power outage. Wind and solar power options are geo-physically
dependent. In the Altamount pass, the windmills don't turn all
the time and they use huge tracts of acreage. In the Silly-cone
valley, most of them wouldn't run at all, ever. By the same token
solar panels, for a data center, eat up much more square footage
than is available (although covering every roof-top with solar
panels might really add credence to the name "Silicon Valley").
In most other parts of the country, they have far too many cloudy
hours, reducing duty-cycles substantially.

There is also the issue of remembering what the core business is
and avoiding dilution of efforts.




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