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Re: Traffic engineering tools
From: Jerry Scharf <scharf () vix com>
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:06:48 -0700 (PDT)
While I fully agree with Tony's comments on damped control systems, we also have to ackowledge the desire for fast failure recovery. When a person talks about recovery times measured in the same units as link RTT, it is very difficult to create well damped systems. Many systems that work fine in simulation and in "normal operation" die a horrible death as circuits start to fail. Those people pointing to theoretical complexity tend to be proven correct, in my experience. I will also point to an idea that Vadim has championed for a long time that fast lines should go down quickly and up slowly rather than up quickly and down slowly as they do now. It doesn't solve the damping problem, but it does allow you to be more aggresive in taking failed lines down without destabilizing current algorithms. Someday YFRV may offer this as an option, perhaps some of them do already. I do believe that some of the TE folks are punting the general case solution by only attempting to do TE and protection on a small potion of their traffic. If you have a glut of web traffic that acts as a sponge, you can get away with nonoptimal management of the subset without causing meltdowns. jerry
Current thread:
- Re: Traffic engineering tools, (continued)
- Re: Traffic engineering tools Sean Donelan (Oct 21)
- RE: Traffic engineering tools Bora Akyol (Oct 21)
- RE: Traffic engineering tools Patrick Greenwell (Oct 21)
- Re: Traffic engineering tools Prabhu Kavi (Oct 22)
- RE: Traffic engineering tools Patrick Greenwell (Oct 21)
- RE: Traffic engineering tools Andrew Bender (Oct 22)
- RE: Traffic engineering tools Bora Akyol (Oct 22)
- RE: Traffic engineering tools Vadim Antonov (Oct 22)
- RE: Traffic engineering tools Alex P. Rudnev (Oct 25)
- Re: Traffic engineering tools Tony Li (Oct 25)
- RE: Traffic engineering tools Alex P. Rudnev (Oct 25)
- Re: Traffic engineering tools Andrew Bender (Oct 26)
- Re: Traffic engineering tools Jerry Scharf (Oct 26)
- Re: Traffic engineering tools Jeremy Porter (Oct 26)
- Re: Traffic engineering tools Jerry Scharf (Oct 26)
- Re: Traffic engineering tools Vadim Antonov (Oct 26)
- Re: Traffic engineering tools John Patteson (Oct 27)
- Re: Traffic engineering tools Vadim Antonov (Oct 26)
- Re: Traffic engineering tools Prabhu Kavi (Oct 28)
- Re: Traffic engineering tools Alex P. Rudnev (Oct 28)
- Re: Traffic engineering tools Prabhu Kavi (Oct 28)
- Re: Traffic engineering tools Vadim Antonov (Oct 28)
- Re: Traffic engineering tools Andrew Partan (Oct 28)