Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed?

[Magnus Bergman <trident () trisec net>]

On Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 08:14:47PM -0400, Barry Shein wrote:
> As fast as one of these .to domains is shut down the domain hijackers
> open another .to domain, apparently within minutes, and continue
> spamming with that.
>
> So it's not doing a lot of good asking tonic to shut down domain a.to
> when that just results in seeing spam shortly thereafter advertising
> b.to and then c.to and d.to and e.to and f.to etc.
>
> One major problem is the mismanagement of the .to domain, and to what
> purpose (apparently not to serve the Kingdom of Tonga as a national
> TLD) remains fairly mysterious, other than "for money" and whatever
> damage it does to others be damned.

It doesn't do any damage. A domain is just a domain ! Have you tried to
complain to abuse at foo.to:s network operator ? Could you please clarify
why it is worse to get a SPAM from foo.to than from foo.com ?
Internic will let anyone register a .com domain.

> It's like a site which won't close an open mail relay. Sure, it's
> ultimately the spammers exploiting the open relay which are the actual
> perps. But if all the open mail relay will do, for example, is block
> the one domain from relaying so the spammers just jump to another
> domain and use them as an open relay again, and again, and
> again...well then just informing them of the latest domain on an
> hourly basis isn't really doing it.

You can't compare a TLD with a mail relay ... Still, a domain is just a
domain. You don't even NEED a domain to send out SPAMS. The only thing 
you need is a connection to the Internet. Go complain to the network 
operator !

Could you please clarify why .to should take more action against spammers 
than Internic ?

<RANT>
Duh, here is a dark alley, oh, there is a drug-dealer in the dark alley. 
Hummm, lets forbid dark alleys .... 
</RANT>

Go to the god damn source of the problem. The Network Operator !

Do you run to Internic as soon as you get a SPAM from a .com domain ?
Most probably not. And most importantly, do you come whining on NANOG 
as soon as you get a SPAM from a .com domain ?

Can't you see that this is just plain silly ?

--Magnus