RE: Why does Sprint have address filters again?

[Jamie Scheinblum <jamie () fast net>]

The last CIDR report I have in my in-box states there are 3606 AS numbers in
the routing table.  So, my first question is at what point does ARIN reclaim
AS numbers?

(comparison: 2680 last September and 3075 at the beginning of the year)

That's a lot of money Arin rakes in on un-used AS numbers.

I understand that ARIN probably doesn't want to get in the middle of routing
policies, but by limiting when you can receive an AS, I don't understand why
they couldn't limit when you lose it.

Second Q: How many AS numbers are available in total?

Best regards,

Jamie Scheinblum - FASTNET(tm) / You Tools Corporation
jamie () fast net (888)321-FAST(3278) http://www.fast.net
FASTNET - Business and Personal Internet Solutions 

The views stated above are mine and do not reflect those 
of my employer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Karl Denninger [mailto:karl () mcs net]
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 1998 2:35 PM
To: Patrick W. Gilmore
Cc: nanog () merit edu
Subject: Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again?


On Sun, May 31, 1998 at 12:30:46AM -0700, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> At 01:27 AM 5/30/98 -0500, Karl Denninger wrote:
> > This does make sense - a lot of sense.
>
> > Karl Denninger (karl () MCS Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin
>
> > On Sat, May 30, 1998 at 12:26:31AM -0400, Jamie Scheinblum wrote:
> > > Suggestion:
> > >
> > > The initial ASN should be bundled with a /19 to create a "multi-home"
> > > package.  Unbundled ASNs whould be unreasonably high to cover the
> > > administration of the initial ASNs of the world, and the cost
associated
> > > with a /19.
>
> No, it does not make a lot of sense.  In fact, IMHO, this is a very,
*very*
> bad idea.
>
> Remember what we are trying to conserve here - not just ASNs, but IP Space
> too.  Making unbundled ASNs "unreasonably high" would kill all the people
> who are being good little businesses and conserving IP space.

Uh, hold on a second....

I didn't say to make the first ASN "unreasonably" expensive (and I do
believe $500 is unreasonable).

However, with a REASONABLE first ASN fee (ie: $50 or thereabouts) bundling
THAT with a /19  when you get your first PI allocation is even more
reasonable.

After all, the justification for the IP space encompasses that for the ASN,
so the work has already been done, and the additional effort at that point
should be literally a few keystrokes.

My proposals to fix the issue with regards to getting a /19 if you're
multihomed are also out there; has NANOG seen them?

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