Re: MTU of the Internet?

[Phil Howard <phil () charon milepost com>]

Marc Slemko writes...

> On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, Phil Howard wrote:
>
> > IMHO setting DF should not be allowed where the MTU is greater than 576,
> > or whatever number today constitutes the "minimum reasonable requirement"
> > which I would say isn't larger than 1006.  Maybe in a few years we can
> > kiss SLIP bye-bye and make sure everything is 1500.
>
> Erm... no.  The whole point of setting the DF bit is to avoid
> fragmentation.  Read up on path MTU discovery to see why it is a good
> thing.  Just because braindead filters cause problems is no reason to
> suggest that PMTU discovery is bad.  It becomes even more critical in IPv6
> where routers don't fragment period, so people had better get used to it.
>
> Trying to force everyone to have the same MTU simply is not practical. 
> You will always have systems with higher path MTUs that can get a gain
> from knowing it and you will always have systems with lower MTUs for
> whatever reason.

I agree MTU needs to be flexible.  But in a protocol where MTU discovery
is based on ICMP, and where filters are often implemented for ICMP without
detailing, then I think DF is just as uncivilized as other bad behaviour.

What's the mechanism for negotiating packet size in IPv6 and how to does
it deal with minimal routers in between?  Does it have an MTU discovery?
And is its MTU discovery poorly designed like in IPv4 (which looks to me
like it's an afterthought).  Of course MTU discovery is something that
needs to take place across TCP, UDP, and whatever else is just above IP,
but putting that over in ICMP is, IMHO, part of the problem.  It would not
violate the statelessness principle to allow a transit router to send back
something entirely outside of the concept of ICMP to do MTU discovery since
that doesn't involve storing any state of any connections in transit routers.

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