[whoisdatabase () hotmail com: Re: Network Solutions Lists]

["Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer () mhsc com>]

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> Date:         Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:58:36 -0800
> Reply-To: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer () MHSC COM>
> Sender: Owner-Domain-Policy <owner-domain-policy () internic net>
> From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer () MHSC COM>
> Subject:      Report: Whois database for sale
> X-To:         "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes () INTERNIC NET>
> To: DOMAIN-POLICY () LISTS INTERNIC NET
>
> I just called this guy at
>
> > Registrant:
> > Site Promotion, LLC (TARGETEDLISTS2-DOM)
> >   3000 Millsfield
> >   Dyersburg, TN 38024
> >   US
> >
> >   Domain Name: TARGETEDLISTS.COM
> >
> >   Administrative Contact:
> >      Promotion, Site  (SP7502)  spotfree () LOA COM
> >      901-286-6157
>
> A *real* person answers the phone. I had a very good discussion with him
> and I mentioned that this call was part of the MHSC process leading to
> submitting his site to the RBL. He confirmed the web-site and its stated
> intention. I also pointed out that making whois contact information
> available to spammers was a lot like "tugging on Superman's cape", not a
> good idea as it would gain the extreme ire of every ISP on the planet, not
> to mention every other domain-name holder. I also politely reminded him
> that the whois information is for internet-related business ONLY and NOT to
> be used for advertising.
>
> In turn, he informed me that, as of this morning, he has decided to stop
> this activity. It remains to be seen if he will do so. Chuck, I strongly
> suggest that NSI follow this up with their own phone contact procedures.
>
> It is amusing that he, at first, tried to say that he didn't send the SPAM,
> but when I started to read excerpts from the text of his web-site he
> abandoned that argument line.
>
> At 11:28 AM 12/13/98 , Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> > Chuck,
> >
> > To me, this indicates a serious problem at NSI. Y'all *had* to know that
> some scum-bag was eventually going to do this. openly. I maintain that is
> has been happening surreptitiously for some time, as this isn't the first
> time someone has spammed my contact info addresses.
> > What it disappointing is that NSI doesn't already have a "canned" response
> ready to go. It was definitely a forsee-able event. Is it maybe that you
> are aware of the probable response and don't like it yourself?
>
> > At 05:42 AM 12/13/98 , Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> > > To date we have tried very hard to avoid becoming content managers of the
> > > Internet because we have never really been given any authorization to do
so.
> > > Also, how could it be done fairly and equitably?
> > >
> > > Because of the concern for this issue though, we are discussing how this
> > > might be done if in fact it can be done fairly and efficiently.
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Benjamin Azevedo [SMTP:Editor () Opiniao com]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 1998 8:09 AM
> > > > To:   DOMAIN-POLICY
> > > > Subject:      Whois database for sale
> > > >
> > > > To all and specially Chuck,
> > > >
> > > > Spam received today offering access to domain owners email addresses.
> > > > With a registered domain to receive orders: http://www.targetedlists.com

> > > > As long as they start selling the list widely, we should expect even
> > > > more spam against domain contacts.
> > > >
> > > > Isn't this offering a reason to immediately suspend/cancel this domain?
> > > > And maybe other associated domains too, as "targetedlists.com" has been
> > > > just
> > > > registered and possibly is disposable anyway.
> > > >
> > > > Benjamin Azevedo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 1)Spam received
> > > > Re: Network Solutions Lists
> > > > Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 08:32:26 GMT
> > > > From: whois () finfin com
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > According to our records, you have at least
> > > > one domain registered with Network Solutions,
> > > > aka The Internic.
> > > > http://rs.internic.net/cgi-bin/whois/
> > > >
> > > > Please do not be offended by this email.
> > > > This is not a mass spam mailing.  Your
> > > > email address is on an Opt-In list of domain
> > > > owners who are interested in increasing
> > > > their website traffic.
> > > >
> > > > We can show you how to generate so much traffic,
> > > > that it could possibly CRASH your ISP's server!
> > > > That's right!
> > > >
> > > > We have a huge list of Internic's Domain Owners,
> > > > extracted from the Whois Database available
> > > > for download from our password protected
> > > > website right now.  For more details,
> > > > visit our site  . . .
> > > >
> > > > http://www.targetedlists.com/
> > > >
> > > > If you order before Dec. 31st,  you will receive
> > > > "MacroBot" software for FREE!
> > > >
> > > > This is a one time mailing offer to members
> > > > of Network Solutions Whois Database of Domain
> > > > Name Owners/Opt-In List.  You will not receive
> > > > any further mailings from our company.
> > > >
> > > > To request removal from this opt-in list,
> > > > send an email with "unsubscribe" in the
> > > > subject box.  mailto:removelist () eastmail com
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your time and consideration,
> > > >
> > > > The UnderWorld
>
> > > > 1-800-607-6006  ext. 3205#
> > > >
> > > > http://www.targetedlists.com/
> > > >
> > > > 2)Info available on the annouced site
> > > > Welcome To The
> > > >                      UnderWorld!
> > > >
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> > > >               AND  GREAT  INFORMATION  FOR  SITE  PROMOTERS!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >           Hold on to your hat, because this info is going to "knock your
> > > > socks
> > > >           OFF!"  We have an email address list of domain owners in the
> > > >           Internic's Whois Database.
> > > >
> > > >           The great thing about The Internic's Whois database is that
> > > > virtually
> > > > >           all the email addresses are VALID.   These people are Domain
> > > >           Owners!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >           It's a GREAT resource list for web promoters, hosting
companies,
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> > > > list available
> > > >           anywhere on the net.
> > > >
> > > >           We have cleaned this list against our blacklist of internet
> > > > nazi's and
> > > >           "anti-emailers" and remove requests.  It started out as 655,000
> > > >           addresses, now it has 487,000 super clean addresses.  No edu's,
> > > > orgs,

> > > >           mostly US addresses.  This list includes over 17,000
webmasters.
> > > >           We also have approximately 230,000 opportunity seekers and
> > > > network
> > > >           marketers email addresses.  Both the Internic Whois Database
and
> > > >           the Opportunity Seeker lists are available for download from
our
> > > >           password protected web site right now!
> > > >
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> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
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> > > > on a
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>
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> > > >
> > > > 3)Whois information about the domain offering the list
> > > > Registrant: Site Promotion, LLC (TARGETEDLISTS2-DOM)
> > > >            3000 Millsfield
> > > >            Dyersburg, TN 38024
> > > >            US
> > > >
> > > > Domain Name: TARGETEDLISTS.COM
> > > >
> > > > Administrative Contact:
> > > >       Promotion, Site  (SP7502)  spotfree () LOA COM
> > > >       901-286-6157
> > > > Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
> > > >       VDirect Domain Services  (VD143-ORG)  dnsadmin () VDIRECT COM
> > > >       716-262-2351
> > > > >  Fax- 716-262-3766
> > > > Billing Contact:
> > > >       Promotion, Site  (SP7502)  spotfree () LOA COM
> > > >       901-286-6157
> > > >
> > > >    Record last updated on 02-Dec-98.
> > > >    Record created on 02-Dec-98.
> > > >    Database last updated on 13-Dec-98 02:53:46 EST.
> > > >
> > > >    Domain servers in listed order:
> > > >
> > > >    DNS1.VDIRECT.COM             208.157.147.98
> > > >    DNS2.VDIRECT.COM             208.157.147.99

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