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Re: Big providers use NAT to squeeze little ISPs
From: Karl Denninger <karl () Mcs Net>
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 19:31:28 -0600 (CST)
I will restart my question as such: It is my understanding that; One of your principal objections to NAT boxes is that they are motivated by technical and trade practices you find dishonest. Please define and expound.
My principal objection to NAT is that it breaks lots of things, including some servers, that customers want to put on their networks. At the PROVIDER level, especially at the level we run at, there is no NAT box made fast enough to do the job regardless of price.
Do you really think that big ISP puts in /19 filters to make life hard for the "little guy" at the bottom of the "money pile"? -alan
As long as a provider can get their own /19 I have no problem with prefix filtering at the /19 level. The problem comes about when big ISPs filter at /19s *AND* the allocators of space refuse to give ISPs /19s. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl () MCS Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity http://www.mcs.net/~karl | T1's from $600 monthly to FULL DS-3 Service | 99 Analog numbers, 77 ISDN, Web servers $75/mo Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| Email to "info () mcs net" WWW: http://www.mcs.net/ Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | 2 FULL DS-3 Internet links; 400Mbps B/W Internal - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Current thread:
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers, (continued)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Bradley Dunn (Feb 26)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Neil J. McRae (Feb 28)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Bradley Dunn (Feb 26)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Stephen Sprunk (Feb 26)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Karl Denninger (Feb 26)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers David Schwartz (Feb 26)
- Big providers use NAT to squeeze little ISPs Alan Hannan (Feb 26)
- Re: Big providers use NAT to squeeze little ISPs Karl Denninger (Feb 26)
- Re: Big providers use NAT to squeeze little ISPs Alan Hannan (Feb 26)
- Re: Big providers use NAT to squeeze little ISPs Karl Denninger (Feb 26)
- Re: Big providers use NAT to squeeze little ISPs Alan Hannan (Feb 26)
- Re: Big providers use NAT to squeeze little ISPs Karl Denninger (Feb 26)
- Re: Big providers use NAT to squeeze little ISPs Lyndon Levesley (Feb 26)
- Re: Big providers use NAT to squeeze little ISPs Alan Hannan (Feb 26)
- Re: Big providers use NAT to squeeze little ISPs Michael Dillon (Feb 26)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Karl Denninger (Feb 26)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Bradley Dunn (Feb 26)
- Re: BGP announcements and small providers Todd Graham Lewis (Feb 26)