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Re: Editorial comment: Scary hackers
From: Nathan Dorfman <ndorfman () SMALLWORLD COM>
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:18:15 -0500
The hidden message is that Microsoft software is so bad, that reading their code will immediately reveal multitudes of glaring holes on all levels from the kernel to the application level. Every one of those Toms, Dicks, and Harrys that uses the software and implicitly trusts it must be saying right now: "Gee, am I glad that source code wasn't released, all the insecurity in my software is left in the dark, and I'm still safe!" People *need* to stop and realize that the only thing that makes them 'safe' at the moment is the unknown black hole status of the software they use. If not, they're in for a nasty surprise when the inevitable comes and someone malicious gains those couple of necessary insights to exploit those dormant vulnerabilities that have always been present in their systems. You argue that for the very reason that a given piece of software is used by almost everyone, it's important to keep its secrets in the dark. I argue that for that very reason, it's imperative to expose it for garbage when it is such. If the lock on your home could be opened with a simple, yet obscure technique, would you rather simply hope that no one would find out, or would you rather be informed yourself and go buy another lock? Software evolves. If this evolution is anything like the natural kind, then software that simply pretends to work will become extinct. As Microsoft will, when the curtain goes up, the game is over, and it's time for the real thing. -- Nathan Dorfman nathan () rtfm net
-----Original Message----- From: Dominick, David [mailto:David.Dominick () DELTA-AIR COM] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:14 AM To: ISN () SECURITYFOCUS COM Subject: Re: [ISN] Editorial comment: Scary hackers I totally disagree. Sorry to be so blunt, but this simply is not true. If the hackers would choose to flood the newsgroups with, say Office 2000 code, it would definitely hurt Microsoft. And after a the source code was altered with imbedded virus and trojan horses the public would be hurt too. This is not a Linux you are dealing with here. This is not a select group of highly skilled users that are driving the technology. This is Microsoft. Every Tom, Dick and Mary use this suite. They implicitly trust their code and have no way of verifying it is safe. Look at the recent virus that have come out just with people understanding the Windows APIs. Can you picture the havoc that will be reeked when people know the actually source code. Kernel level trojans and virus. No more macros virus; now there will be virus that call on the kernel itself. Wake up! Not everybody out there is a developer with pure motives. While it is true that many of us would love to see how the system works to try to improve it, there are still way too many who would be destructive to dare let the code become public. Just my opinion David Dominick "Did you get rid of all the voices in your head? Do you now miss them and the things that they said?"
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