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FC: Microsoft representative replies to Windows/aircraft carrier story (fwd)


From: William Knowles <wk () C4I ORG>
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:35:16 -0500

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:22:36 -0400
From: Declan McCullagh <declan () well com>
To: politech () politechbot com
Cc: jsampson () microsoft com, cyber () IBPINC com, watha () monitortan com
Subject: FC: Microsoft representative replies to Windows/aircraft carrier story


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From: "John Sampson (LCA)" <jsampson () microsoft com>
To: "'declan () well com'" <declan () well com>
Subject: RE: MS Windows will control new U.S. Navy aircraft carrier (no joke!)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:21:54 -0700

Declan - GCN followed up the story cited below with this one
(http://www.gcn.com/archives/gcn/1998/november9/6.htm) in which the
same author wrote:

"Human error, not Microsoft Windows NT, was the cause of a LAN failure
aboard the Aegis cruiser USS Yorktown that left the Smart Ship dead in
the water for nearly three hours last fall during maneuvers near Cape
Charles, Va., Navy officials said.

The Yorktown last September suffered an engineering LAN casualty when
a petty officer calibrating a fuel valve entered a zero into a
shipboard database, officials said. The resulting database overload
caused the ship's LAN, including 27 dual 200-MHz Pentium Pro miniature
remote terminal units, to crash, they said.

The petty officer, who has since left the Navy, fed the bad data into
the Remote Data Base Manager, a Standard Monitoring Control System
application. SMCS, developed by Canadian Aviation Electronics Inc. of
Toronto, allows sailors to monitor the ship's engineering and
propulsion plant for potential casualties."

"'There was a problem in that this one valve was closed, but SMCS
wasn't indicating it as such,' said Cmdr. Eric Sweigard, the
Yorktown's commanding officer. 'So this petty officer started playing
with the data.'"

- John

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From: "Roger J. Jones" <cyber () IBPINC com>
To: "'declan () well com'" <declan () well com>, politech () politechbot com
Cc: watha () monitortan com
Subject: RE: More on controlling Navy's aircraft carriers with MS Windows
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:59:46 -0500
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Actually - not a contradiction. The systems you describe are not
part of the current on bard Windows NT suite. The interesting
question is what part of the new systems will run some version of
Windows NT? If you look at the premier SCADA vendors - Intellution
and WonderWare - they are moving quickly to the NT platform.
(SCADA by the way is a software "middleware" used in commercial
applications as a more user friendly interface to the PLC -
programmable logic controllers that run manufacturing equipment
such as conveyor belts, diverters, scanners, label readers, etc.)
So the concept of the engineering plant running a
PLC/SCADA/Windows NT software network is not far fetched.

The technical question here is "Can Windows NT support real time
process control applications?" Intellution (part of Emerson
Electric) and WonderWare clearly think it can. So do hundreds if
not thousands of their customers. So does, apparently, the US
Navy.

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From: "Hiawatha Bray" <watha () monitortan com>
To: "Roger J. Jones" <cyber () IBPINC com>, <declan () well com>,
        <politech () politechbot com>
Subject: RE: More on controlling Navy's aircraft carriers with MS Windows
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:08:03 -0400
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Oh, I don't see it as a contradiction.  I see it as news that those Navy
gearheads may not welcome.  Soon they may be required to use NT to run key
systems.  They left me with the impression that such a decision wouldn't sit
too well with 'em...

Hiawatha

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