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FC: Microsoft representative replies to Windows/aircraft carrier story (fwd)
From: William Knowles <wk () C4I ORG>
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:35:16 -0500
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:22:36 -0400 From: Declan McCullagh <declan () well com> To: politech () politechbot com Cc: jsampson () microsoft com, cyber () IBPINC com, watha () monitortan com Subject: FC: Microsoft representative replies to Windows/aircraft carrier story *********** From: "John Sampson (LCA)" <jsampson () microsoft com> To: "'declan () well com'" <declan () well com> Subject: RE: MS Windows will control new U.S. Navy aircraft carrier (no joke!) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:21:54 -0700 Declan - GCN followed up the story cited below with this one (http://www.gcn.com/archives/gcn/1998/november9/6.htm) in which the same author wrote: "Human error, not Microsoft Windows NT, was the cause of a LAN failure aboard the Aegis cruiser USS Yorktown that left the Smart Ship dead in the water for nearly three hours last fall during maneuvers near Cape Charles, Va., Navy officials said. The Yorktown last September suffered an engineering LAN casualty when a petty officer calibrating a fuel valve entered a zero into a shipboard database, officials said. The resulting database overload caused the ship's LAN, including 27 dual 200-MHz Pentium Pro miniature remote terminal units, to crash, they said. The petty officer, who has since left the Navy, fed the bad data into the Remote Data Base Manager, a Standard Monitoring Control System application. SMCS, developed by Canadian Aviation Electronics Inc. of Toronto, allows sailors to monitor the ship's engineering and propulsion plant for potential casualties." "'There was a problem in that this one valve was closed, but SMCS wasn't indicating it as such,' said Cmdr. Eric Sweigard, the Yorktown's commanding officer. 'So this petty officer started playing with the data.'" - John ***********
From: "Roger J. Jones" <cyber () IBPINC com> To: "'declan () well com'" <declan () well com>, politech () politechbot com Cc: watha () monitortan com Subject: RE: More on controlling Navy's aircraft carriers with MS Windows Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:59:46 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Actually - not a contradiction. The systems you describe are not part of the current on bard Windows NT suite. The interesting question is what part of the new systems will run some version of Windows NT? If you look at the premier SCADA vendors - Intellution and WonderWare - they are moving quickly to the NT platform. (SCADA by the way is a software "middleware" used in commercial applications as a more user friendly interface to the PLC - programmable logic controllers that run manufacturing equipment such as conveyor belts, diverters, scanners, label readers, etc.) So the concept of the engineering plant running a PLC/SCADA/Windows NT software network is not far fetched. The technical question here is "Can Windows NT support real time process control applications?" Intellution (part of Emerson Electric) and WonderWare clearly think it can. So do hundreds if not thousands of their customers. So does, apparently, the US Navy.
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From: "Hiawatha Bray" <watha () monitortan com> To: "Roger J. Jones" <cyber () IBPINC com>, <declan () well com>, <politech () politechbot com> Subject: RE: More on controlling Navy's aircraft carriers with MS Windows Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:08:03 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Oh, I don't see it as a contradiction. I see it as news that those Navy gearheads may not welcome. Soon they may be required to use NT to run key systems. They left me with the impression that such a decision wouldn't sit too well with 'em... Hiawatha
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