Re Why Russia is Building Its Own Internet

["Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Joe Touch <touch () strayalpha com>
> Date: January 26, 2018 at 11:28:00 AM EST
> To: dave () farber net
> Subject: Re: [IP] Re Why Russia is Building Its Own Internet
>
> Hi, Dave,
>
> This approach is somewhat frightening and ignores the lessons learned in the development of the Internet.
>
> I agree that the current Internet has (de)volved to fail to support some of the most fundamental requirements, 
> including the use of globally unique identifiers (destroyed by NATs) and the ability to send/receive reasonable 
> traffic on any port (destroyed by port blocking, DPI filters, and non-neutral nets). 
> The application layer is NOT an interworking layer itself. Using it as we do now results in the same problems that 
> plagued internetworking before the Internet - the need for N^2 translators, confusion over protocol translation 
> semantics, and the increasing impediment to new systems being integrated.
>
> If, instead, we developed a common interworking layer at the app layer, all we would accomplish is to reinvent the 
> Internet there, much less efficiently. 
> Let's please not reinvent the wheel - because if we need to do that now, what is to stop us from eventually needing 
> to do so again, when (not if) that layer suffers from the fate the current Internet endures. It's time to fix things, 
> not reinvent them.
>
> Joe
>
> > On 1/25/2018 1:30 PM, Dave Farber wrote:
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > From: Karl Auerbach <karl () cavebear com>
> > Date: Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 3:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [IP] Why Russia is Building Its Own Internet
> > To: <dave () farber net>, ip <ip () listbox com>
> > CC: <dewayne () warpspeed com>, Steve Goldstein <steve.goldstein () comcast net>
> >
> >
> > > On 1/25/18 8:01 AM, Dave Farber wrote:
> > > [Note:  This item comes from friend Steve Goldstein.  DLH]
> > >
> > > Why Russia is Building Its Own Internet
> > > By Tracy Staedter
> > > Jan 17 2018
> > > <https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/telecom/internet/could-russia-really-build-its-own-alternate-internet>
> >
> > It is not just countries that are slowly evolving to have their own internets, it is also companies.
> >
> > Remember how the net was at first just a network - the old ARPAnet kind of thing - and then we learned to create a 
> > "catnet" or "internet" in which we joined those separate networks into the larger whole that we call "the internet".
> >
> > Well, that crank can be turned again so that we have a network of internets.  And it's happening in various ways and 
> > for various - and in many ways rather compelling - reasons.
> >
> > Back in 2016 I wrote a note about how I see this happening - 
> > https://www.cavebear.com/cavebear-blog/internet_quo_vadis/
> >
> > The thesis of that note is that the end-to-end principle at the IP packet layer is essentially dead, but that that 
> > principle has strength today at the application layer - which means that any internet-of-internet that gives users 
> > the end-to-end experience they want from their favorite apps is a working internet no matter how inelegant the 
> > underlying plumbing may be to the eyes of old internet techies like many of us here.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > In the network of internets the address at the application level - which is the level that users care about - is 
> > what it has already become, a world of application-specific handles ranging from things like URL/URI constructs to 
> > Facebook names and Twitter handles to Google logins.  That opens the door to a future network of internets in which 
> > IP address become mere local tokens just as MAC addresses really only have meaning within the context of a single 
> > Ethernet-like domain.
> >
> > My thesis is that today's internet can be evolve into a something that looks like isolated islands that are 
> > connected by well-guarded bridges. 
> ...



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