Re US Homeland Security Will Start Collecting Social Media Info on All Immigrants October 18th

["Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net>
> Date: September 27, 2017 at 12:30:07 PM EDT
> To: Joel M Snyder <Joel.Snyder () opus1 com>, Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
> Cc: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net>
> Subject: Re: [IP] Re US Homeland Security Will Start Collecting Social Media Info on All Immigrants October 18th
>
> Joel:
>
> I am reading some tension in your reply. Hopefully that is just my misinterpretation. Email is not the best 
> communication medium sometimes. It just feels a bit weird to hear you talk about Gizmodo being “ridiculously 
> over-the-top”, then you sending something, well, let’s just say, something that could be read as over the top as well.
>
> Back on topic, I re-read my email and I can’t find anything in it where I said this wasn’t ALLOWED. I just used 
> sarcasm to imply the new order would inhibit some people coming here. If you think otherwise, might I refer you to a 
> “fantasy-land of ignorance” you previously mentioned?
>
> Second, it is true I merely skimmed the notice. However, the notice very clearly states:
> CATEGORIES OF INDIVIDUALS COVERED BY THE SYSTEM:
>
> Lawful permanent residents;
> Naturalized U.S. citizens;
> This could just mean they are using the new system to keep the extant records of the person before they were 
> naturalized. Going back to the notice, it is not clearly to me that is the correct interpretation. Before the section 
> on individuals covered by the system, the notice states:
>
> <quote>
> The purpose of the A-File is to document and maintain the official record of an individual's immigration 
> applications, petitions, and requests, as well as enforcement transactions as he or she passes through the U.S. 
> immigration process.
> </quote>
>
> At no time does it carve out an exception for naturalized citizens. The word “naturalized” appears exactly once in 
> the entire notice, and that is to list them as someone affected by this notice.
>
> Sooooooo, my original questions still stands:
>
> I thought once she had a passport, she was the same as the rest of us (other than not being able to be president)?
>
> How would the courts look at DHS treating one citizen differently than another?
>
> Would someone who knows more than I care to answer? Hopefully in a less “over the top” fashion than .. uh .. Gizmodo?
>
> -- 
> TTFN,
> patrick
>
>
> > On Sep 27, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Joel M Snyder <Joel.Snyder () opus1 com> wrote:
> >
> > The proposed change is not related to the visa issuance process; this is targeted towards immigrants.
> >
> > The Gizmodo article is ridiculously over-the-top in its interpretation of the change that is being proposed and the 
> > potential issues.
> >
> > Anyone who doesn't think that it is fair game for the USG to ask for your social media handles and email addresses 
> > and a ton of other very, very personal information before allowing immigration is living in a fantasy-land of 
> > ignorance.  Social media handles (not passwords mind you, just handles) are one of the least intrusive things that 
> > happen to someone when they ask to immigrate to the United States.
> >
> > I realize that everyone is on a hair trigger about immigration, tourism, and refugees right now, but taking a notice 
> > that there's now a place in the database schema for social media handles in your immigration file and blowing it up 
> > into this nonsense is not helping the discussion any.
> >
> > Regarding Gilmore's comment: he should have read the notice, not the article.
> >
> > jms
> >
> >
> > > On 9/27/17 5:03 PM, Dave Farber wrote:
> > > Begin forwarded message:
> > > > *From:* "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net <mailto:patrick () ianai net>>
> > > > *Date:* September 27, 2017 at 11:02:10 AM EDT
> > > > *To:* Dave Farber <dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>>
> > > > *Cc:* "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net <mailto:patrick () ianai net>>
> > > > *Subject:* *Re: [IP] US Homeland Security Will Start Collecting Social Media Info on All Immigrants October 18th*
> > > >
> > > > That won’t hurt tourism or people wanting to spend money in this country at all.
> > > >
> > > > </sarcasm>
> > > >
> > > > The part that scares me the most is:
> > > >    “... even naturalized citizens ... “
> > > >
> > > > My wife is a naturalized citizen. I thought once she had a passport, she was the same as the rest of us (other 
> > > > than not being able to be president)?
> > > >
> > > > How would the courts look at DHS treating one citizen differently than another?
> > > >
> > > > -- 
> > > > TTFN,
> > > > patrick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Sep 27, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Dave Farber <farber () gmail com <mailto:farber () gmail com>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://gizmodo.com/us-homeland-security-will-start-collecting-social-media-1818777094
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