Re Why is ISOC's PIR promoting a private global copyright censorship court for domains?

["Dave Farber" <dave () farber net>]

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From: Sally Wentworth <wentworth () isoc org>
Date: Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Internet Policy] Why is ISOC's PIR promoting a private global
copyright censorship court for domains?
To: internetpolicy () elists isoc org <internetpolicy () elists isoc org>


Colleagues,

PIR has just issued a statement that may be of interest to those engaged in
this discussion.

https://pir.org/systemic-copyright-infringement-alternative-dispute-resolution-policy-scdrp/

Over the past year, Public Interest Registry has been developing a highly
focused policy that addresses systemic, large scale copyright infringement
– the ”Systemic Copyright Infringement Alternative Dispute Resolution
Policy” or SCDRP.

Given certain concerns that have been recently raised in the public domain,
Public Interest Registry is pausing its SCDRP development process to
reflect on those concerns and consider forward steps. We will hold any
further development of the SCDRP until further notice.



Best,
Sally

Sally Wentworth
Vice President, Global Policy Development
Internet Society
wentworth () isoc org



On Feb 19, 2017, at 9:13 PM, Phil Corwin <psc () vlaw-dc com> wrote:

Thank you for this response, Sally.

Before all the potential questions can be asked, which is the prerequisite
for your provision of responsive answers, the largest question is where is
the statement of what the Copyright ADRP will be -- in at least as much
detail as that for the UDRP (see
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/help/dndr/udrp-en ) on which it is
purportedly modeled (and noting that copyright law is substantially more
complex than trademark, which likely introduces additional considerations)?

Until we see at least the same level of detail for both the Policy itself
and the Rules under which NAF would  provide administration it is not even
possible to formulate a full list of questions that should be addressed in
advance of an implementation decision. So I hope you will focus on
providing that basic level of detail as a priority matter.

I look forward to working on this issue in a constructive manner.

Best regards,
Philip

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-----Original Message-----
From: InternetPolicy [mailto:internetpolicy-bounces () elists isoc org
<internetpolicy-bounces () elists isoc org>] On Behalf Of Sally Wentworth
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 5:43 PM
To: Ian Peter; internetpolicy () elists isoc org
Subject: Re: [Internet Policy] Why is ISOC's PIR promoting a private global
copyright censorship court for domains?

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to chime in here to say that I've been following this
discussion closely and to recognize that a number of important points have
been made about this issue.   I don’t have all the answers just yet but am
working to get greater clarity on where this proposal stands.

Thanks for your patience,

Sally

Sally Wentworth
Vice President, Global Policy Development Internet Society
wentworth () isoc org



On Feb 17, 2017, at 3:11 PM, Ian Peter <ian.peter () ianpeter com> wrote:

I also agree.

And add that the absence of any comment to date on this from either ISOC or
PIR is, I hope, because a response is being considered and the current
position reversed. But at least a holding response would be a good idea,
the current silence is concerning.

Ian Peter

-----Original Message----- From: Christian de Larrinaga
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 3:56 AM
To: Richard Hill
Cc: internetpolicy () elists isoc org
Subject: Re: [Internet Policy] Why is ISOC's PIR promoting a private global
copyright censorship court for domains?

Good to see some clarity from this list. As I hope is obvious I fully
agree with the need for PIR to engage in an open inclusive process as
has been eloquently described.

I hope that PIR is encouraged to engage to build that dialogue.


Christian

Richard Hill <mailto:rhill () hill-a ch <rhill () hill-a ch>>
17 February 2017 at 16:06
I fully agree with all the comments regarding using an open and
inclusive process to develop any such schemes, and in particular I
agree with Brandt's comment below.

Best,
Richard


Brandt Dainow <mailto:brandt.dainow () gmail com <brandt.dainow () gmail com>>
17 February 2017 at 16:03
+1
PIR's "About Us" states their purpose is to represent the public and
to give people "a powerful voice" - it is clear that "the public"
(that's us) are not convinced this step represents the interests of
the public and that there are plenty of public groups who want a voice in
this issue.

PIR must abandon commitment to the initiative, go right back to the
start, open a comprehensive consultative process, with published
submissions and public discussion, give time for debate, publish a
position paper outlining their response and proposed course of
action, allow for feedback on the position paper, and ONLY THEN be in
a position to move.  It may be that this will lead to abandoning the
proposal, or additional safeguards to handle legitimate concerns, but
what is certain is that whatever happens will have had more thought put
into it.

Regards,
Brandt Dainow
brandt.dainow () gmail com

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow
http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow


-----Original Message-----
From: InternetPolicy [mailto:internetpolicy-bounces () elists isoc org]
On Behalf Of matthew shears
Sent: 17 February 2017 15:49
To: Phil Corwin; cdel () firsthand net
Cc: internetpolicy () elists isoc org
Subject: Re: [Internet Policy] Why is ISOC's PIR promoting a private
global copyright censorship court for domains?

+  1 Phil


On 17/02/2017 15:43, Phil Corwin wrote:

IMHO we need more than a webinar with some slides.  We need an
extended,

open and detailed dialogue to answer the many questions that are not
addressed by the DNA documents and to solicit the broad input from
all stakeholders that their closed process did not permit.

Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC
1155 F Street, NW
Suite 1050
Washington, DC 20004
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Twitter: @VLawDC

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On Feb 17, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Christian de Larrinaga
<cdel () firsthand net>

wrote:

Perhaps I could ask if PIR would hold or join a webinar or some
other service to communicate and discuss what they are considering
doing (in our name) ?

best


Christian

Jeremy Malcolm <mailto:jmalcolm () eff org>
14 February 2017 at 01:00
For those who may have missed it, ISOC's Public Interest Registry
is planning to establish by the end of the quarter a new
compulsory private arbitration system that would allow copyright
owners to cancel .org domain names based on allegations of copyright
infringement:

http://domainincite.com/21517-the-pirate-bay-likely-to-be-sunk-as-
or
g-adopts-udrp-for-copyright

This is also being pushed as an international best practice
standard for other domain registries to adopt:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/02/healthy-domains-initiative-c
en
sorship-through-shadow-regulation

This hardly seems like a measure that's in the "public interest".
What do ISOC members think about this proposal?

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matthew shears <mailto:mshears () cdt org>
17 February 2017 at 15:49
+  1 Phil




Phil Corwin <mailto:psc () vlaw-dc com>
17 February 2017 at 15:43
IMHO we need more than a webinar with some slides. We need an
extended, open and detailed dialogue to answer the many questions
that are not addressed by the DNA documents and to solicit the broad
input from all stakeholders that their closed process did not permit.

Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal
Virtualaw LLC
1155 F Street, NW
Suite 1050
Washington, DC 20004
202-559-8597/Direct
202-559-8750/Fax
202-255-6172/Cell

Twitter: @VLawDC

"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey

Sent from my iPad

Christian de Larrinaga <mailto:cdel () firsthand net>
17 February 2017 at 13:29
Perhaps I could ask if PIR would hold or join a webinar or some other
service to communicate and discuss what they are considering doing
(in our name) ?

best


Christian



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