Re NYTimes: U.C. Irvine Rescinds Acceptances for Hundreds of Applicants

["Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>]

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> From: Denise Caruso <dmcar () andrew cmu edu>
> Date: August 2, 2017 at 8:49:33 AM EDT
> To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
> Cc: ip <ip () listbox com>
> Subject: Re: [IP] Re NYTimes: U.C. Irvine Rescinds Acceptances for Hundreds of Applicants
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> Dear Bruce, 
>
> Beg to differ. Choosing the university you attend is a life-altering experience, in no way analogous to deciding when 
> to fly to Cleveland. The process *is* wrong and, I would say, unethical — not only is it driven by greed alone, but 
> worse, it is contemptuous of the lives of the students who have invested time and money and hopes for the future into 
> the selection process. 
> --
> Denise Caruso
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> Carnegie Mellon University
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> > On Jul 31, 2017, at 9:52 AM, Dave Farber <farber () gmail com> wrote:
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> > Begin forwarded message:
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> > > From: Krulwich <krulwich () yahoo com>
> > > Date: July 31, 2017 at 5:13:14 AM EDT
> > > To: <dave () farber net>, ip <ip () listbox com>
> > > Subject: Re: [IP] Re NYTimes: U.C. Irvine Rescinds Acceptances for Hundreds of Applicants
> > > Reply-To: Krulwich <krulwich () yahoo com>
> > >
> > > Anyone that's run processes like this knows that it's not so simple. Yes, tech can help, but if you know your 
> > > accept rate is going to be a lot less than 100%, or your cancellation rate will be significant, you need to accept 
> > > more than 100% and gamble on the accept/cancel rates or you're shooting yourself in the foot. This relates to 
> > > everything from college acceptances to job search to selling seats on airplanes.
> > >
> > > In the example given previously, if it takes a week for the early acceptances to decide, during that week the 
> > > college will lose a lot of people who will get their acceptances after the "no"'s start to come in. Say they accept 
> > > X but are going to end up accepting X+Y after Y people in the first batch say no. People in the Y group but not the 
> > > X group may have gotten other acceptances and may take one, but if they were accepted from the start would have 
> > > accepted here.
> > >
> > > This is the reason airlines offer cash for seats occasionally. The number of times that that happens, and the 
> > > inconvenience to passengers, is worth it to fill the plane by slightly overaccepting.
> > >
> > > In the college case, they need to figure out what to do. I agree that retracting the acceptances is wrong. But it 
> > > doesn't make the process wrong, it just means they need to figure out a solution.
> > >
> > > --Bruce
> > >
> > >
> > > On Monday, July 31, 2017, 6:59:59 AM GMT+3, Dave Farber <farber () gmail com> wrote:
> > >
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> > > Begin forwarded message:
> > >
> > > > From: "Synthesis:Law and Technology" <synthesis.law.and.technology () gmail com>
> > > > Date: July 30, 2017 at 5:15:39 PM EDT
> > > > To: David Farber <dave () farber net>
> > > > Subject: Re: [IP] NYTimes: U.C. Irvine Rescinds Acceptances for Hundreds of Applicants
> > > >
> > > > Dave,
> > > >
> > > > I must be missing something here.  The stated reason is too many people accepted the offers. So why offer too 
> > > > many? What's wrong with waiting lists?  What criteria were used, I refuse to believe that all successful 
> > > > applicants exactly made it to the same degree.  Waiting lists for acceptance have been around since...well... 
> > > > before my time at least.  I was on the wait list for my chosen med school but law was most excited to have me.  By 
> > > > the time med school recognized my inherent " superiority" and offered me a place, I was already reading up for 
> > > > first term.  I can guarantee they found someone further on the list to replace.  And this was all done without 
> > > > massive computer systems. Someone accepts an offer? "Boop" someone at the end is no longer on the wait list.  Or 
> > > > left there just in case.  It's really trivial at that point.  And scalable.  You do a manual override to accept 
> > > > more than the quota for history? The overall number gets decreased in the faculty.  There just seems no need for 
> > > > this.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 30, 2017 2:25 PM, "Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com> wrote:
> > > > https://www.nytimes.com/2017/ 07/29/us/uc-irvine-acceptance- rejected.html?smprod=nytcore- 
> > > > ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share
> > > >
> > > > With too many applicants vying to enter the Class of 2021, the university had to rescind acceptance letters for 
> > > > 499 students. Dozens have appealed.
> > > >
> > > >
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