Re The original idea behind the "Hyperloop" was NOT SpaceX and Tesla founder Elon Musk...

["Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>]

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> From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren () vortex com>
> Date: August 17, 2017 at 8:03:47 PM EDT
> To: dave () farber net
> Subject: Re: [IP] The original idea behind the "Hyperloop" was NOT SpaceX and Tesla founder Elon Musk...
>
>
> Dave, as long as we're talking about early "Hyperloop" concepts, we
> must note the globe-spanning system detailed in Frederik Pohl and Jack
> Williamson's "Starchild Trilogy" ("Reefs of Space" - '64, "Starchild"
> - '65, and "Rogue Star" - '69) -- then all published together as an
> omnibus edition as the trilogy in 1980. This series describes a future
> where the Earth has been criss-crossed by subterranean vacuum tunnels
> permitting enormous travel speeds, making it possible to reach most
> points on the planet in a few hours. This was not a fun society,
> however.  
>
> A computerized dictatorship ("The Plan of Man") ruled the entire
> planet, and anyone considered less than 100% loyal was categorized a
> "Risk" and forced to wear a locked steel collar that could be remotely
> exploded at any time (and Risks were subject to organ harvesting
> pretty much anytime also). As usual with sci-fi there were some
> interesting blind spots -- for example, even with this advanced global
> travel tech and relatively routine interplanetary travel, citizens
> were required to check in with the central computer using mechanical
> teletype machines, which were present everywhere.
>
> In any case, the Hyperloop concept is as old as sci-fi, and likely to
> stay in the sci-fi realm in any practical sense for the foreseeable
> future.
>
> L
>
>
> > On 08/17 19:22, DAVID FARBER wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > > From: the keyboard of geoff goodfellow <geoff () iconia com>
> > > Date: August 17, 2017 at 7:01:14 PM EDT
> > > To: E-mail Pamphleteer Dave Farber's Interesting People list <ip () listbox com>
> > > Cc: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>, Dewayne Hendricks <dewayne () warpspeed com>
> > > Subject: The original idea behind the "Hyperloop" was NOT SpaceX and Tesla founder Elon Musk...
> > >
> > > Dave & Dewayne -- for your respective lists -- hopefully/please -- to shine the light on and give credit where 
> > > credit is due: vis-a-vis just who essentially laid out The Original Idea behind -- what today being called "The 
> > > Hyperloop"--  that SpaceX and Tesla founder Elon Musk laid out in a 2013 posting" according to a article out this 
> > > day:
> > >
> > > These college students are vying to build Elon Musk's hyperloop
> > > by Rob Pegoraro
> > > Contributing Editor
> > > Yahoo Finance
> > > <https://finance.yahoo.com/news/college-students-vying-build-elon-musks-hyperloop-200724101.html>
> > >
> > > ​​It really should be really titled 
> > >
> > > These college students are vying to build Robert M. Salter's​ Planetran​
> > >
> > > as laid out in ​these ​two ​seminal ​​​RAND reports ​from​ 1972 & 1978, respect​fully​, viz.:
> > >
> > > The Very High Speed Transit System
> > > by Robert M. Salter
> > > Year: 1972
> > >
> > > Description of a very high speed transit (VHST) system operating in its own rarefied atmosphere in evacuated tubes 
> > > in underground tunnels. Most cases considered took less time to go coast-to-coast (e.g., 21 min) than it takes an 
> > > aircraft to climb to an efficient operating altitude. VHST's tubecraft ride on, and are driven by, electromagnetic 
> > > (EM) waves. In accelerating, it employs the energy of the surrounding EM field; in decelerating, it returns most of 
> > > this energy to the system. Tunnel systems would be shared by oil, water, and gas pipelines; channels for laser and 
> > > microwave waveguides; electric power lines including superconducting ones; and freight systems. Environmental and 
> > > economic benefits are substantial, and the technology for building and operating the system exists.
> > >
> > > https://www.rand.org/pubs/papers/P4874.html
> > > http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/papers/2008/P4874.pdf
> > >
> > > Trans-Planetary Subway Systems
> > > A Burgeoning Capability
> > > by Robert M. Salter
> > > Year: 1978
> > >
> > > Describes a subway concept called "Planetran" comprising electromagnetically supported and propelled cars traveling 
> > > in underground evacuated tubes, able to cross the United States in one hour. It is designed to interface with local 
> > > transit systems, and the tunnel complex also contains utility transmission and auxiliary freight-carrying systems. 
> > > Tunnels represent a major problem area and most of the cost. They will be placed several hundred feet underground 
> > > in solid rock formations. It will require advanced tunnel-boring machines, such as hypersonic projectile 
> > > spallation, laser beam devices, and the "Subterrene" heated tungsten probe that melts through igneous rocks. 
> > > Planetran is rated as a system high in conservation of energy. For every car being accelerated, there is one 
> > > decelerating in an adjoining tube. The decelerating cars return energy to the system. The tubes have a reduced 
> > > atmosphere, making drag losses much smaller than for aircraft. Coast-to-coast energy costs are expected to be less 
> > > than $1.00 per passenger.
> > >
> > > https://www.rand.org/pubs/papers/P6092.html
> > > http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/papers/2009/P6092.pdf
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > Geoff.Goodfellow () iconia com
> > > living as The Truth is True
> > > http://geoff.livejournal.com  
> > >
> > >
> > > This message was sent to the list address and trashed, but can be found online.



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