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Re: Is the RIAA carrying out its threat to destroy the world's economy?


From: Dave Farber <dfarber () me com>
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:29:50 -0400


From: "Bob Frankston" <Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com>
To: "'Jon Urdan'" <jon () advbits com>, <dave () farber net>
Cc: "'Lauren Weinstein'" <lauren () vortex com>
Date: May 13, 2010 01:07:08 PM EDT
Subject: RE: [IP] Is the RIAA carrying out its threat to destroy the world's economy?

Thanks. I'm cc'ing Lauren who also watches such efforts. I should've also
mentioned the MPAA and others but the RIAA seems to be the most aggressive.

I found
http://jamesgannon.ca/2010/03/01/reaching-new-lows-charity-album-piracy/ to
be interesting because it emphasizes the tactic of creating this idea of the
"pirate" when there are different flavors. It cuts both ways -- why is
buying an album the right charity vehicle. It's valid but copying the music
is not the same as not making a donation.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Urdan [mailto:jon () advbits com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:50
To: dave () farber net
Cc: Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com
Subject: RE: [IP] Is the RIAA carrying out its threat to destroy the world's
economy?

http://www.ifpi.org/

Hi Bob -

I'm a former music industry exec and long-time IP lurker.  If you're
interested in these issues, you might want to bookmark the link above.
This is the worldwide org that coordinates the RIAA-type activities outside
the US.

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:19 AM
To: ip
Subject: [IP] Is the RIAA carrying out its threat to destroy the world's
economy?



Begin forwarded message:

From: "Bob Frankston" <Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com>
Date: May 12, 2010 12:51:39 PM EDT
To: <dave () farber net>
Cc: <nnsquad () nnsquad org>
Subject: Is the RIAA carrying out its threat to destroy the world's economy?

This German decision follows on the Digital Economy Bill rammed through the
parliament in the UK.

Of course it's the RIAA's equivalent in each country. Back about 1999 at a
meeting about ICANN and the DNS an RIAA representative told me he would be
willing to destroy the Internet in order to protect their content. He was
not kidding and we can see the result.

This attempt to make protecting their content the most important factor in
the economy does real damage. It makes it illegal to have a communications
commons and for people to add capacity.

By making it illegal for people to contribute capacity we require everyone
go through a carrier and create a billable even. We can see a simple example
-- if two adjacent cell phones (using peer protocols) communicate directly
there is no significant cost. But instead we require they go through distant
towers in order to create a billable event and force them to buy a service.
If open Wi-Fi (or a successor) is the norm then they can use any path
already available without creating billable events.

These billable events add up to a trillion dollars a year world-wide give or
take a few hundred billion. That could make a real difference to world's
economy. After all a single trillion dollar bailout is a big deal, imaging
doing it every year ad infinitum.

But wait wait, there is further damage. If we use the cell phone example
they can't communicate if there isn't a tower nearby or if they don't have a
billing relationship with that particular tower and every element along the
path. Repeat this for each device and each path and the cost to the world's
economy and our quality of life is very large.

It's not entirely the fault of the RIAA as the problem appears in other
forms as when the various state legislatures ban paying for fiber and other
bit infrastructure based on the idea that its unfair competition for the
carriers. Yet they pay for roads. Why are they protecting an industry whose
business model no longer make sense?

It's more ignorance the malevolence but the damage is real.

Fortunately the US has the First Amendment and communications is speech.
Unfortunately that idea isn't fully accepted or understood.


-----Original Message-----
From: nnsquad-bounces+nnsquad=bobf.frankston.com () nnsquad org
[mailto:nnsquad-bounces+nnsquad=bobf.frankston.com () nnsquad org] On Behalf Of
Lauren Weinstein
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:26
To: nnsquad () nnsquad org
Subject: [ NNSquad ] German court "bans" most open Wi-Fi access?


German court "bans" most open Wi-Fi access?

http://bit.ly/9s9rLg  (AP / Palm Beach Post)

Since the court has apparently ruled that "all" Wi-Fi access point operators
must password protect their Wi-Fi, by extension this suggests that home
users at least can't "legally" provide conventional open Internet access
even if they wish to (whether they should or not is a different question
from a security standpoint, of course).

I wonder if the court has ruled on the strength and secrecy of such
passwords.  That is, what if very short passwords are used under WEP, which
are easily broken.  What if fans of open home Wi-Fi agreed en masse to use
the password "Aufgeschlossenheit" -- or set their password to the same
string as their Wi-Fi SSID?

Of course, since the fine is relatively modest and the court did not rule
that open Wi-Fi owners had responsibility for any third-party illegal
downloads -- and the fine only comes into play when a downloading violation
occurs -- many users may just decide to keep their Wi-Fi open and risk the
fine for now.

--Lauren--
NNSquad Moderator





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