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Re: Is the RIAA carrying out its threat to destroy the world's economy?
From: Dave Farber <dfarber () me com>
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:29:50 -0400
From: "Bob Frankston" <Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com> To: "'Jon Urdan'" <jon () advbits com>, <dave () farber net> Cc: "'Lauren Weinstein'" <lauren () vortex com> Date: May 13, 2010 01:07:08 PM EDT Subject: RE: [IP] Is the RIAA carrying out its threat to destroy the world's economy? Thanks. I'm cc'ing Lauren who also watches such efforts. I should've also mentioned the MPAA and others but the RIAA seems to be the most aggressive. I found http://jamesgannon.ca/2010/03/01/reaching-new-lows-charity-album-piracy/ to be interesting because it emphasizes the tactic of creating this idea of the "pirate" when there are different flavors. It cuts both ways -- why is buying an album the right charity vehicle. It's valid but copying the music is not the same as not making a donation. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Urdan [mailto:jon () advbits com] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:50 To: dave () farber net Cc: Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com Subject: RE: [IP] Is the RIAA carrying out its threat to destroy the world's economy? http://www.ifpi.org/ Hi Bob - I'm a former music industry exec and long-time IP lurker. If you're interested in these issues, you might want to bookmark the link above. This is the worldwide org that coordinates the RIAA-type activities outside the US. Jon -----Original Message----- From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:19 AM To: ip Subject: [IP] Is the RIAA carrying out its threat to destroy the world's economy? Begin forwarded message: From: "Bob Frankston" <Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com> Date: May 12, 2010 12:51:39 PM EDT To: <dave () farber net> Cc: <nnsquad () nnsquad org> Subject: Is the RIAA carrying out its threat to destroy the world's economy? This German decision follows on the Digital Economy Bill rammed through the parliament in the UK. Of course it's the RIAA's equivalent in each country. Back about 1999 at a meeting about ICANN and the DNS an RIAA representative told me he would be willing to destroy the Internet in order to protect their content. He was not kidding and we can see the result. This attempt to make protecting their content the most important factor in the economy does real damage. It makes it illegal to have a communications commons and for people to add capacity. By making it illegal for people to contribute capacity we require everyone go through a carrier and create a billable even. We can see a simple example -- if two adjacent cell phones (using peer protocols) communicate directly there is no significant cost. But instead we require they go through distant towers in order to create a billable event and force them to buy a service. If open Wi-Fi (or a successor) is the norm then they can use any path already available without creating billable events. These billable events add up to a trillion dollars a year world-wide give or take a few hundred billion. That could make a real difference to world's economy. After all a single trillion dollar bailout is a big deal, imaging doing it every year ad infinitum. But wait wait, there is further damage. If we use the cell phone example they can't communicate if there isn't a tower nearby or if they don't have a billing relationship with that particular tower and every element along the path. Repeat this for each device and each path and the cost to the world's economy and our quality of life is very large. It's not entirely the fault of the RIAA as the problem appears in other forms as when the various state legislatures ban paying for fiber and other bit infrastructure based on the idea that its unfair competition for the carriers. Yet they pay for roads. Why are they protecting an industry whose business model no longer make sense? It's more ignorance the malevolence but the damage is real. Fortunately the US has the First Amendment and communications is speech. Unfortunately that idea isn't fully accepted or understood. -----Original Message----- From: nnsquad-bounces+nnsquad=bobf.frankston.com () nnsquad org [mailto:nnsquad-bounces+nnsquad=bobf.frankston.com () nnsquad org] On Behalf Of Lauren Weinstein Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:26 To: nnsquad () nnsquad org Subject: [ NNSquad ] German court "bans" most open Wi-Fi access? German court "bans" most open Wi-Fi access? http://bit.ly/9s9rLg (AP / Palm Beach Post) Since the court has apparently ruled that "all" Wi-Fi access point operators must password protect their Wi-Fi, by extension this suggests that home users at least can't "legally" provide conventional open Internet access even if they wish to (whether they should or not is a different question from a security standpoint, of course). I wonder if the court has ruled on the strength and secrecy of such passwords. That is, what if very short passwords are used under WEP, which are easily broken. What if fans of open home Wi-Fi agreed en masse to use the password "Aufgeschlossenheit" -- or set their password to the same string as their Wi-Fi SSID? Of course, since the fine is relatively modest and the court did not rule that open Wi-Fi owners had responsibility for any third-party illegal downloads -- and the fine only comes into play when a downloading violation occurs -- many users may just decide to keep their Wi-Fi open and risk the fine for now. --Lauren-- NNSquad Moderator ------------------------------------------- Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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