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VIDEO RESTORED: Re: NY-ers Needed to Stop Trademark Abuse at ICANN


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:39:49 -0400



Begin forwarded message:

From: Seth Johnson <seth.johnson () RealMeasures dyndns org>
Date: July 17, 2009 6:18:47 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Cc: ip <ip () v2 listbox com>
Subject: VIDEO RESTORED: Re: [IP] NY-ers Needed to Stop Trademark Abuse at ICANN
Reply-To: seth.johnson () RealMeasures dyndns org


(Hi Dave: for IP -- the Youtube video account has been restored.  --
Seth)


Hi Dave --

Now that the New York and London meets have wound up, thought I'd
point people at a couple of videos from the NY session.

I found odd 1) the Implementation Recommendations Team's presenting of
recommendations without taking up the impact they would have on
established legal trademark traditions, and 2) that ICANN had chosen
to set up a panel constituted of representatives of large trademark
interests -- after a more participatory process had already been
conducted within ICANN's Generic Names Supporting Organizations
policymaking process.  In the following video you can see the response
I got:

Me addressing the IRT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfQrLVeFwcE

Kathy Kleiman represents the Non-Commercial Users Constituency:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgUC869bTVM

You can find more videos here:
http://www.isoc-ny.org/?p=769


This page from the NCUC describes quite clearly what's happening in
terms of how the decision process has been conducted and constituted:
http://ipjustice.org/ICANN/NCSG/NCUC-ICANN-Injustices.html


They are proposing to set up:

An IP Clearing House
A Globally Protected Marks list
A Uniform Rapid Suspension System
A Post-Delegation Dispute Resolution Mechanism

Rebecca MacKinnon and Graham Chenoweth describe the issue of prior
restraint on free speech associated with this proposal here:
http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2009/07/icann-and-free-speech.html
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20090621_mahmoud_ahmadinejad_globally_protected_marks_list_gpml/


You'll find the slides from the IRT's presentation here:
http://www.icann.org/en/topics/new-gtlds/presentation-irt-13jul09-en.pdf


ISOC's Public Interest Registry had this to say:
http://www.circleid.com/posts/comments_on_icanns_irt_final_report/

"We believe the Final Report puts too much emphasis on obliging
registries to enforce trademark rights, in place of requiring ICANN to
devote more resources to enforcing its contracts with registrars. We
also believe that ICANN already has the legal tools to deal with the
admittedly rare instances where a registry is in business to profit
from trademark infringement. Adding a new legal process and giving
rights to outsiders who are not parties to the ICANN-registry
agreements is likely to increase litigation and its expense for all
concerned. It is not likely to deal effectively with the real problems
of cybersquatting."


Two commentaries from Saul Hansell on the New York Times blog:

The Best Internet Addresses Will Cost a Cool .Million
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/14/the-best-internet-addresses-will-cost-a-cool-million/

Brokering Peace Between Brand Owners and Domainers
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/14/brokering-peace-between-brand-owners-and-domainers/


This is the overview/announcement for these meetings:
http://www.icann.org/en/topics/new-gtlds/consultation-outreach-en.htm


There are two more, in Tokyo and Abu Dhabi, in the next couple of
weeks.  Have only heard dribs from the London meet so far.


Seth Johnson



David Farber wrote:

Begin forwarded message:

From: Seth Johnson <seth.johnson () RealMeasures dyndns org>
Date: July 9, 2009 6:09:28 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Subject: NY-ers Needed to Stop Trademark Abuse at ICANN
Reply-To: seth.johnson () RealMeasures dyndns org

Hi Dave -- anybody in New York who wants to call out the ICANN's
"Implementation Recommendation Team" for their attempt provide tools
for abusing trademark while they roll out the new Global Top Level
Domains, needs to REGISTER BY TOMORROW here:

http://www.registration123.com/ICANN/GTLD/

And then show up THIS MONDAY (sorry for the shouting, but those are
the key terms in this message) at the Millenium Hotel, 145 West 44th
Street.

See the blurb below my signature from Kathy Kleiman, among those who
have been there from the inception of ICANN and watching out for all
of us.

(Others in other cities, check out the schedule of meetings and get
ready -- they are hitting several cities in a rapid fire fashion this
month.)

The MPAA and International Trademark Association have had a hand in
ICANN from its inception, when they prevailed in establishing the
Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy.  Now, along with rolling out new
global Top Level Domains, trademark holders are ramming through a new
process that goes well beyond that.  They are pulling out the stops to
get ICANN to implement what will in practical terms amount to a huge
revision in the nature of trademark, backed by strong action on the
part of ICANN.  Along with a new "Uniform Rapid Suspension System" to
shut down sites quickly, they are establishing ICANN as playing the
role of policing trademarks -- which by law is the trademark holders'
responsibility.

Domain names don't match up with trademark law -- DNS is about giving
symbols one universal address.  Language is not.  You don't trademark
"Apple" -- you reserve the use of that trademark to market a
particular kind of goods or service.  Thus we have Apple Computers and
The Beatles' Apple music company.  Or Sun Oil in Canada, a completely
separate company from Sun Oil in America -- and certainly not the same
as the Sun computing company.  And trademark is also subject to fair
use and of course free speech.

While of course this becomes a tool for draconian action in the area
of domain names, it also sets the stage for a major revision in the
basic conception of trademark policy, allowing this to extend further.

Seth Johnson
(Random Internet Activist)

ICANN Public Consultation: Should New Top Level Domains Include Broad
New Trademark Protections?

On Mon, July 13, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
Numbers  (ICANN) will hold a public consultation at the Hudson
Theatre,  Millennium Hotel, 145 West 44th Street, to discuss the
"rules of the  road" for new generic top level domains (gTLDs), future
competitors to  .COM, .ORG and .NET.

A group of trademark attorneys, representing large brand owners, in
May wrote a report calling on ICANN to create broad new trademark
protections before opening up new gTLDs.

  A. IP Clearinghouse: a massive database of registered and
     unregistered trademark rights created by ICANN (IRT
     Report, pp. 12-16

  B. Globally Protected Marks List: a list of global marks
     created and maintained by ICANN (IRT Report, pp. 16-
     22)

  C. Uniform Rapid Suspension System (URS): A ultra-fast
     takedown service with little notice or time to respond
     by domain name registrants (IRT, pp. 25-37)

These proposals have been criticized as outside the mission and scope
of  ICANN, a technical body, and outside the protections and limits
of  trademark law. ICANN's Noncommercial Users Constituency writes "We
fear the impact of the IRT Proposals on free speech and fair use
online.  Trademark owners don't own strings of letters, they have a
trademark for  specific goods and services. Basic words like APPLE,
TIDE, SUN and TIME belong to all of us. Many important domain names
will be lost, or worse,  blocked before they can be registered."

Approval of the IRT Report is being rushed through ICANN with minimal
opportunity to comment. It is vital that ICANN hear comment as soon
as  possible, and Monday is an opportunity to speak.

ICANN's Noncommercial Users Constituency will be hosting a breakfast
at the Millennium Hotel on Monday morning. Please contact NCUC
Co-Founder  Kathy Kleiman, kathy () kathykleiman com
<mailto:kathy () kathykleiman com>,  for more details.

Registration to speak on 7/13 at this link (deadline 7/10):
http://www.registration123.com/ICANN/GTLD/

IRT Report:
http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-4-29may09-en.htm

IP Justice Comments:
http://forum.icann.org/lists/irt-final-report/msg00210.html

EFF Australia Comments:
http://forum.icann.org/lists/irt-final-report/msg00179.html

Noncommercial Users Constituency Website with comments:
http://icann-ncuc.ning.com/

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