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Re: James McGrath Morris - Spam Filters Threaten Free Speech on the Internet - washington post
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:04:26 -0500
Begin forwarded message: From: Jonathan Ezor <jezor () tourolaw edu> Date: November 30, 2008 3:17:26 PM EST To: dave () farber netSubject: RE: [IP] Re: James McGrath Morris - Spam Filters Threaten Free Speech on the Internet - washington post
Without disrespect to Mr. Peterson (and with full understanding that I'm once again dipping my toe into dangerous waters), I strongly would disagree with
at least one thing he wrote:" NO legitimate, reasonable sender will send HTML-burdened E-mail to a new recipient without first determining that they are willing and able to handle
such mail."This is simply untrue, because it begins with the assumption that most e-mail senders even can distinguish between HTML and non-HTML e-mail. Certainly,
his (possibly mythical) Aunt Gertrude and my (quite real) Aunt Gertrudeprobably can't, nor might they even know they're sending HTML e-mail even if they understand the difference, particularly if they're using a Web- based or
handholding e-mail client.As to the article which prompted the discussion, I found most interesting not the piece itself but the comments, especially those that point out how many
ISPs don't give their users a chance to fine-tune spamblocking/filtering/labeling methods. This reality puts in doubt the argument that the recipients can choose what they wish to receive (or not), since that
assumes the recipients have control over the process.As technically savvy folks, we should not forget that we are not typical, even of heavy e-mail users, in our understanding of the mechanics of e- mail. The vast majority simply type, click send, and assume that their messages are
(a) sent and (b) received without interference. {ProfJonathan} ------------------- Prof. Jonathan I. Ezor Assistant Professor of Law and Technology Director, Institute for Business, Law and Technology (IBLT) Touro Law Center 225 Eastview Drive, Central Islip, NY 11722 Direct: 631-761-7119 Fax: 516-977-3001 e-mail: jezor () tourolaw edu Skype: jonathanezor Twitter: profjonathan PGP Key ID: 0x14DA9687 -----Original Message----- From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 12:32 PM To: ipSubject: [IP] Re: James McGrath Morris - Spam Filters Threaten Free Speech on
the Internet - washington post Begin forwarded message: From: Gordon Peterson <gep2 () terabites com> Date: November 30, 2008 11:24:14 AM EST To: dave () farber net Subject: Re: [IP] Re: James McGrath Morris - Spam Filters Threaten Free Speech on the Internet - washington post For starters, I agree completely that the right to free speech does NOT include the right to COMPEL others to listen. Especially when some particularly pernicious spammers would happily monopolize the world's inboxes, given a chance. I however STRONGLY disagree with Rich's claim about content inspection. as an antispam technique. The trick, however, is to COMBINE content detection SPECIFIC TO THE SENDER. For example, my dear old Aunt Gertrude might send me pictures of her poodle Fifi, but she is NEVER going to send me encrypted ZIP files, or obscured URLs, or messages containing JavaScript, or any kind of executables. Any of that kind of content claiming to come from her is clearly coming from her infected computer, or from someone impersonating her address. In either case, I don't really want to see it (but I will happily accept mail claiming to be from her which DOES "look like" the mail she always sends to me). (Though I might be willing to accept that kind of mail, coming from someone else who I knew and trusted!) By the same token, most of the newsletters and other material I receive regularly has common formatting or mastheads or other content which makes it look "familiar" for mail from that sender. I can use that to determine if that mail is genuine or not. Most importantly, if the default rule for mail from previously unknown senders is "no HTML, no attachments, and no more than (say) 50K bytes in size" then I can instantly eliminate virtually all phishing/spam/ virus/worm mail. (NO legitimate, reasonable sender will send HTML- burdened E-mail to a new recipient without first determining that they are willing and able to handle such mail). By eliminating HTML, you also eliminate malicious ActiveX, malicious images, hidden/misrepresented links, and a lot more. Most of the non-content-inspection schemes (like SPF, which is stupid) unreasonably (and unnecessarily) limit senders (who might, for example, be sending from an inhabitual location, such as a cruise ship Internet cafe), and do nothing to stop mail from zombie spambot armies which have commandeered friends' machines, and are sending their infected or objectionable mail under that legitimate user's qualifications or reputation. By using a fine-grained "permissions" list, based on the sender of the mail (AND SET BY THE RECIPIENT!!), one can achieve FAR better antispam/ antivirus/antiworm defenses than are possible using either non-content- based, or only-content-based, antispam techniques by themselves. PLUS, this returns control of their Inbox to the owner of that Inbox, who ultimately is the only person whose opinion matters when deciding what kind of mail they want to receive, and from who. And (for instance) I might be willing to visit a porn or other web site a familiar friend sent me a link to, while the EXACT SAME e-mail coming from a stranger would be spam that I would not want to see. <snip> ------------------------------------------- Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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