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Re: AT&T Monthly Bandwidth Caps Are Here
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:13:10 -0500
Begin forwarded message: From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren () vortex com> Date: November 4, 2008 5:42:12 PM EST To: dave () farber net Cc: lauren () vortex com Subject: Re: [IP] Re: AT&T Monthly Bandwidth Caps Are Here Dave, Of course, caps carry a definite profit center bonus as compared with throttling, at least when subscribers are being charged extra for exceeding the caps (and especially when those caps are relatively low). That is, a circuit that is throttled but not capped will never bring in additional revenue since there's no cap to exceed (and so no "excess" data to charge for). Note also that currently announced caps, even for similar technology and speed circuits, are varying widely from different companies. This *suggests* that perhaps their levels are being set arbitrarily, or at least that's a reasonable assumption in the absence of public data to explain how these caps and related charges actually relate to claims of "degrading" other customers' traffic. --Lauren-- Lauren Weinstein lauren () vortex com or lauren () pfir org Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 http://www.pfir.org/lauren Co-Founder, PFIR - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org Co-Founder, NNSquad - Network Neutrality Squad - http://www.nnsquad.org Founder, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com - - -
From: Brett Glass <brett () lariat net> Date: November 4, 2008 11:41:37 AM EST To: dave () farber net, "ip" <ip () v2 listbox com> Subject: Re: [IP] AT&T Monthly Bandwidth Caps Are HereSurveying the broadband landscape in this country, It's either caps=20=20 or slowdowns or filters. (Unless you're on Comcast, then it's a two- =20for-one.) Caps seem like the lesser of the three evils, if only=20=20because they're fairly transparent=97filtering and slowdowns are more=20==20insidious, since you might not be immediately aware it's happening.=20=20They're essentially legitimized forms of sabotage.In my opinion, the term "sabotage" is unduly pejorative and=20=20inflammatory, as well as simply inaccurate. In all cases, the goal is=20=20 simply to lower costs to consumers by preventing them from consuming=20=20 more bandwidth than they pay for (and thus causing the provider to=20=20 lose money). Absent such constraints, the price of broadband service=20=20 would have to be increased substantially, especially as consumers=20=20 begin to use more bandwidth-intensive services (such as streaming=20=20 video). Or it would have to be metered by the bit, a strategy which=20=20consumers have overwhelmingly rejected.Explicit caps are the tactic least liked by consumers, who despise the=20==20"surprise" overage fees imposed by cellular providers. Throttling and=20=20 filtering impose implicit limits which the user, in most cases, does=20=20 not notice and which actually improve his experience by preventing him=20==20from slowing down or degrading his own highest priority traffic (e.g.=20=20 VoIP) by running a low priority application (e.g. a file transfer) at=20=20the same time. --Brett Glass
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