Re: ALSO MUST READ NYTimes.com: Charging by the Byte to Curb Internet Traffic "People seem to be missing the point."

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

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From: Bob Frankston [bob37-2 () bobf frankston com]
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 2:48 PM
To: David Farber; 'ip'
Cc: 'Roger Bohn'; 'Dave Burstein'
Subject: RE: [IP] ALSO MUST READ  NYTimes.com: Charging by the Byte to Curb Internet Traffic "People seem to be missing 
the point."

 I do have three broadband pipes – RCN, Comcast, FiOS and while competition does slowly work its magic it’s basically 
more of the same – until the whole model collapses. There really is no magic and there is no real scarcity either.

We keep getting sucked into a false battle over scarcity and let ourselves be pitted against our neighbors who are 
stealing bandwidth from us. We miss the larger point. We don’t even think of asking why we are billed for wireless 
connectivity – we’re too fixated on broadband. The problem is in the model that forces us into corralling bits into 
narrow billable paths and we’re not allowed to be owners and invest in capacity.

Cellular phones are a good example of creating scarcity – why do they have to go through the constrictions of towards? 
Apple was able to support 10,000 MAC (Mac MACs?) at WWDC at Moscone using 802.11 without creating billable events.

If having your own fiber costs $1000 (before Moore’s law) then why do you care what your neighbor is doing. You don’t 
solve this by creating in incentive to create scarcity by creating a usage charge – you provide the opportunity for 
individuals and/or the community to buy more capacity – just like within the homes.

Why do we make streaming video the defining application? If you don’t have the capacity to watch an HD real time stream 
then dynamically adapt or do buffering. Don’t impose a morality tax on your neighbor because you want to use bad 
algorithms. The networks are getting this and using smarter ways to send video despite the problems in the middle – as 
Dave Burstein has noted – that’s the real worry for the carriers – not sharing home movies.

This fixation on video forces us to tolerate billable wireless and that does real damage in leaving us disconnected 
except when in front of our TV/PC screens.

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-----Original Message-----
From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net]
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 13:09
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Subject: [IP] ALSO MUST READ NYTimes.com: Charging by the Byte to Curb Internet Traffic "People seem to be missing the 
point."





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From: Roger Bohn [Rbohn () ucsd edu]

Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 11:13 AM

To: David Farber

Cc: Bob.Frankston () indigo pobox com; "[bob37-2 () bobf frankston com]"@indigo.pobox.com; Michael.O'Dell () indigo 
pobox com; "[mo () ccr org]"@indigo.pobox.com

Subject: Re: [IP] MUST READ  NYTimes.com: Charging by the Byte to Curb Internet Traffic "People seem to be missing the 
point."



Regarding the reaction to the NY Times article and the whole subject of charging by the byte, let me point out that the 
correct way to charge for scarcity of bandwidth is ALSO something that many readers of this list will distrust.



> From: Michael O'Dell [mo () ccr org]

>

> Since bit *rate*, not bit mass, is the instantaneously-exhaustable

> resource in packet network, if they were actually worried about

> network engineering, they'd be going to the burstable charging

> model which is known to worth both technically and economically.

> it relates the charges directly to the exhaustion of the

finite resource - bit *rate*, not bit mass.



Mr. O'Dell is correct about rate, but the scarce resource here is _congestion_ flows, which are highly variable. The 
correct (economically, and in my modestly informed opinion technically) way to charge for these is with some form of 
spot pricing, i.e. prices that change in real time and with location. When there's no congestion, no matter how much 
bandwidth someone currently uses the charge should be zero. Conversely, when your neighbors are running real-time 
movies via IP, both you and they should be charged congestion fees for whatever each of you is  doing.  Even if you did 
not "cause" the congestion, your usage is   exacerbating it for everyone.



The easiest analogy is to cellular phones, which have gone as far as a two-level time-of-day price (free/ not free), 
but otherwise stayed away from a "burstable charging model."  Electricity sellers are starting to play with spot 
prices. But in general they are viewed as out of the question for consumers because of the  uncertainty and variability 
they introduce. Your monthly payment becomes even harder to predict than with a pure charge for bytes.*



So like Network Neutrality, this is a case of "be careful what you ask for...." How many of IP's readers would like to 
give some kind of real-time pricing power to their ISP?  Imagine the problems of auditing your bill to ensure that it 
was correct, for example. Solvable technically, but when there is a rapacious quasi-monopolist writing the bills it 
would require a lot of trust.



So a time-of-day based surcharge for bytes seems like a reasonable compromise between tractability and theoretical 
optimality. This is not what Comcast is proposing, though, which lends credence to the theories that they have a very 
different agenda than what they claim.



Long-term solution: We need a third source of high-bandwidth to the home  - probably nothing less will get the ISPs to 
behave. This would also, most likely, solve the net neutrality problem without a lot of dangerous micro-regulation of 
what behavior is acceptable.



Roger



*(Doing spot pricing  economically correctly for the Internet would be  harder than for cellular, because of  
end-to-end issues, which can lead to a lot of nonsense about capacity  reservations, "fair queuing," and the rest.  
Hans-Werner Braun, KC Claffy, and I wrote a paper about end-to-end spot pricing in the mid 90s. If they are only 
worried about local congestion, though, as the Comcasts of the world imply in their PR, then backbone and other-end 
congestion can be ignored.)









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