Re: Holy War! Researchers say EEs have a 'terrorist mindset'

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

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From: Bob Frankston [bob37-2 () bobf frankston com]
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Putting this together with the other note about the UK government trying to
ban "hacker tools" I can't help but be very suspicious. It reminds me of
correlations from the 60's that showed the milk drinking to be a precursor
to drug use. When I see a sentence like "the absolute number is tiny but
...".

Perhaps I can find a correlation between the lack of an engineering mindset
and the lack of understanding of cause and effect?

People want simple answers and people want to publish papers. Perhaps there
is a correlation there too.

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From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net]
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From: dewayne () warpspeed com (Dewayne Hendricks)
Date: January 29, 2008 10:24:51 PM EST
To: Dewayne-Net Technology List <xyzzy () warpspeed com>
Subject: [Dewayne-Net] Holy War! Researchers say EEs have a 'terrorist
mindset'

[Note:  This item comes from friend Ken DiPietro.  DLH]

Holy War! Researchers say EEs have a 'terrorist mindset'

Junko Yoshida
(01/28/2008 10:07 AM EST)
URL: <http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=205920319>

MANHASSET, N.Y. " Is there a thread that ties engineers to Islamic
terrorism?

There certainly is, according to Diego Gambetta and Steffen Hertog at
Oxford University, who recently published a paper titled, "Engineers
of Jihad." The authors call the link to terrorism "the engineer's
mindset."

The sociology paper published last November, which has been making
rounds over the Internet and was recently picked up by The Atlantic,
uses illustrative statistics and qualitative data to conclude that
there is a strong relationship between an engineering background and
involvement in a variety of Islamic terrorist groups. The authors have
found that graduates in subjects such as science, engineering, and
medicine are strongly overrepresented among Islamist movements in the
Muslim world. The authors also note that engineers, alone, are
strongly over-represented among graduates who gravitate to violent
groups.

However, contrary to popular speculation, it's not technical skills
that make engineers attractive recruits to radical groups. Rather, the
authors pose the hypothesis that "engineers have a 'mindset' that
makes them a particularly good match for Islamism," which becomes
explosive when fused by the repression and vigorous radicalization
triggered by the social conditions they endured in Islamic countries.

But what is the engineer's mindset?

The authors call it a mindset that inclines them to take more extreme
conservative and religious positions.

A past survey in the United States has already shown that the
proportion of engineers who declare themselves to be on the right of
the political spectrum is greater than any other disciplinary groups--
such as economists, doctors, scientists, and those in the humanities
and social sciences.

The authors note that the mindset is universal.

Whether American, Canadian or Islamic, they pointed out that a
disproportionate share of engineers seem to have a mindset that makes
them open to the quintessential right-wing features of "monism" (why
argue where there is one best solution) and by "simplism" (if only
people were rational, remedies would be simple).

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