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Re: Editors note incl. Dangerous Precedents Set - Federal Criminal Charges for Violation of Commercial Online ToS?
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:04:08 -0500
Begin forwarded message: From: Thomas Lord <lord () emf net> Date: December 1, 2008 12:41:29 PM EST To: dave () farber net, dave () wilson net Cc: ip <ip () v2 listbox com>Subject: Re: [IP] Re: Editors note incl. Dangerous Precedents Set - Federal Criminal Charges for Violation of Commercial Online ToS?
From: "Dave Wilson" <dave () wilson net> Date: December 1, 2008 5:24:25 AM EST
Very nice analysis of the decision on Groklaw;
This reminds me of the same way patent law got so much paranoid hype around it. As near as I can tell, Bilski didn't reverse a darn thing except for public perception after the implications of State Street were widely misreported. But, to the case at hand: People are reacting as though suddenly a ToS is an extension of criminal law. For example, if a newspaper requires "free registration" to view archives and a person whimsically supplies the name "J. Q. Average", and that is not the real name, and the ToS says "you must supply your real name" -- suddenly that would be criminal. But the indictment in U.S. v. Lori Drew does not argue so. They argued, on the three counts for which she was found guilty, thus: Person or persons committed the common law tort of intentional emotional distress upon Ms. Meier. The tests here are that the on-line harassment showed reckless disregard for the possibility of creating such distress, the acts were systematic, and severe distress resulted. The acts were furthered by Ms. Drew obtaining and causing to be obtained information about Ms. Meier via acts which MySpace explicitly does not authorize and which MySpace is even commonly known to not authorize. This access involved interstate communication. That seems open and shut. It clearly satisfies the plain language of 18 USC 1030(a)(2)(C) Some people have said that if that's the case, then Ms. Meier herself, by registering for MySpace at age 13, also violated the same statute. That's false, though. Ms. Meier did not commit any tortious act. 18 USC 1030 explicitly does NOT criminalize unauthorized access if the sole outcome is the mere use of the computer system and the value of that use does not exceed $50,000. Similarly, giving a pseudonym to a "free registration" site would not rise to the level of a crime under 18 USC 1030. I fail to see how the sky is falling or why it would be important to reverse this verdict or dismiss the case. The only precedent here is that if you directly contribute to committing certain serious crimes and do so by obtaining information or causing information to be obtained via blatantly violating extremely unsurprising elements of a ToS for a service provided from a different state then you're guilty of this charge (18 USC 1030(a)(2)(C)). In fact, this conviction seems like a pretty *good* application of the law in this sense: Nobody has been found criminally guilty of intentionally inflicting emotional distress on Ms. Meier and likely nobody will be. The evidence leaves reasonable doubt for each potential defendant to repudiate the acts in question even though there is no doubt that the acts took place and that some or all of the potential defendant's are guilty. It's a case of three shots ringing out from a dark alley from which three suspects emerge but none of them are talking and the sole gun used was cleaned of prints. We can't convict any of the suspects of pulling the trigger but suppose that we can prove that suspect A purchased the gun, giving fraudulent information for a background check, and in order that it be available for the crime. Is there then something wrong with convicting suspect (A) for charges arising from the fraudulent purchase of a gun for use in a criminal activity? The charge for which Drew was acquitted required that she be found to have participated in a conspiracy. The jury could not find so. By analogy to our suspects emerging from the dark alley: Suspect (A), we know, bought the gun for the crime but it is equally possible, on just the evidence, that (A) acted alone in the crime or that (A) conspired with (B) and/or (C). So we don't know for sure that a conspiracy took place although, if one did, then (A) would be a guilty conspirator. Similarly, Drew couldn't be convicted on the harsher charge for an ironic reason: there is reasonable doubt she conspired because she *might* have been solely responsible. If provably solely responsible, perhaps she even could have been convicted of manslaughter. In that sense we could say she appears, based on the jury's findings here, to have committed either or both conspiracy or manslaughter, but because we can't be certain which is the case she can't be convicted on either charge. But we do know that she fraudulently obtained or caused to be obtained the weapon.... -t ------------------------------------------- Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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