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"Network Neutrality Squad": Users Protecting an Open and Fair Internet
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:31:40 -0500
Begin forwarded message: From: Andrew C Burnette <acb () acb net> Date: November 6, 2007 5:56:10 PM EST To: lauren () vortex com Cc: dave () farber netSubject: Re: [IP] "Network Neutrality Squad": Users Protecting an Open and Fair Internet
Lauren, Dave, Let's not forget that verizon FIOS' delivered Actiontec router (a beast of a wireless NAT box w/ a 533mhz proc and somewhere north of 200megs of ram if I recall correctly) has a firmware limitation of 1024 NAT table entries. Perfect for email reading, and web surfing. Once you start up any peer to peer app (pick any app with loads of connections), the Actiontec holds the first NAT entries for four minutes, even if you overrun the table. Thus, once you even try to bring up your favorite web page, you've already DoS'ed yourself. Stop everything, and in 4 minutes, you're back in business. http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/r17679150-Howto-make-ActionTec-MI424WR-a-network-bridge (you then have a 75watt NIM in place....MoCa to Ethernet. Of course, this also disables the VOD service, and guide data for STB's in the house. I didn't notice that side effect immediately as I have a couple Tivos in place which already provide a channel guide.) I've personally verified the validity of the actions "accidentally" after my own FIOS install and saw the exact error message "nat Error : connection pool is full" (or something similar, it's been a while) once the connections reach 1k entries or so. The difference between this and most other SOHO routers (even far less capable devices) is others typically "immediately" FIFO the NAT table and do not hold entries for minutes at a time. A slowdown, perhaps, but you can still check your email. The Actiontec isn't so kind. Cheers, andy p.s. compared to comcast's alleged forging of packets, I'd call the verizon solution far more clever. No network appliances or sandvine services needed to throttle traffic that may be less desirable, or use more network resources. More like a flash grenade than a smoking gun. Big flash, and you don't have a clue what hit your connection;-) David Farber wrote:
Begin forwarded message: From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren () VORTEX COM> Date: November 5, 2007 7:49:09 PM EST To: USACM-INFO () LISTSERV ACM ORG Subject: "Network Neutrality Squad": Users Protecting an Open and Fair Internet Reply-To: Lauren Weinstein <lauren () VORTEX COM>"Network Neutrality Squad": Users Protecting an Open and Fair Internethttp://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000327.html Greetings. I'm very pleased to announce a new project from PFIR - People For Internet Responsibility: "Network Neutrality Squad" - NNSquad http://www.nnsquad.org Joining PFIR Co-Founders Peter G. Neumann and I in this announcement are Keith Dawson (Slashdot.org), David J. Farber (Carnegie Mellon University), Bob Frankston, Phil Karn (Qualcomm), David P. Reed, Paul Saffo, and Bruce Schneier (BT Counterpane). Recent events such as Comcast's lack of candor regarding their secretive disruption of BitTorrent protocols, and Verizon's altering of domain name lookup results to favor their own advertising pages, are but tip-of-the-iceberg examples of how easily Internet operations can be altered in ways that may not be immediately obvious, but that still can have dramatic, distorting, and in some cases far-reaching negative consequences for the Internet's users. The Network Neutrality Squad ("NNSquad") is an open-membership, open-source effort, enlisting the Internet's users to help keep the Internet's operations fair and unhindered from unreasonable restrictions. The project's focus includes detection, analysis, and incident reporting of any anticompetitive, discriminatory, or other restrictive actions on the part of Internet service Providers (ISPs) or affiliated entities, such as the blocking or disruptive manipulation of applications, protocols, transmissions, or bandwidth; or other similar behaviors not specifically requested by their customers. Other key aspects of the project are discussions, technology development and deployment, and associated activities -- fostering cooperation and mutually agreeable methodologies whenever possible -- aimed at keeping the Internet a maximally unhindered, useful, competitive, fair, and open environment for the broadest possible range of applications and services. We invite individual, commercial, nonprofit, government, and all other Internet users and stakeholders (including ISPs) to participate in the Network Neutrality Squad. Please join the moderated mailing list (choice of immediate distribution or digest) for project announcements and discussions, by sending a message (any subject or text) to: nnsquad-subscribe () nnsquad org or by signing up at the mailing list Web page: http://lists.nnsquad.org/mailman/listinfo/nnsquad A moderated, interactive discussion and incident reporting forum is also available for more real-time communications on related topics: http://forums.pfir.org/main/messages/714/714.html Questions and comments are welcome at nnsquad-info () nnsquad org, or feel free to contact me directly for details. Working together, we can help to keep the Internet an incredibly useful resource for everyone around the globe, unhampered by any efforts to skew its enormous capabilities in ways that could hinder the many while benefiting the relative few. We hope that you'll join this cause. Thank you for your consideration. --Lauren-- (Affiliations shown for identification purposes only.) Lauren Weinstein lauren () vortex com or lauren () pfir org Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 http://www.pfir.org/lauren Co-Founder, PFIR - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org Founder, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com ------------------------------------------- Archives: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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