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Re: France Announces Massive Internet Surveillance by ISPs
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:43:05 -0800
________________________________________ From: Jock Gill [jock () tetherless com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:35 PM To: David Farber Cc: Jock Gill; Lauren Weinstein Subject: Re: [IP] France Announces Massive Internet Surveillance by ISPs Dave, I would argue that this development augers very poorly for France's future competitive fitness as it will surely block their migration to a full peer-to-peer social paradigm. I am confident that a P2P paradigm across domains is the most likely way to arrive at solutions greater than the sum of the parts. Solutions which are only the sum of their parts, or less, are barely competitive to maladaptive. I have blogged on these ideas on Greater Democracy <www.greaterdemocracy.org> Regards, Jock Jock Gill jock () tetherless com (802) 613-1444 On Nov 26, 2007, at 8:15 PM, David Farber wrote:
________________________________________ From: Lauren Weinstein [lauren () vortex com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 4:15 PM To: David Farber Cc: lauren () vortex com Subject: France Announces Massive Internet Surveillance by ISPs France Announces Massive Internet Surveillance by ISPs http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000331.html Greetings. In a breathtaking act of arrogance reminiscent of the heyday of Louis XVI (and likely to trigger similar public reactions among many Internet users, though perhaps unfortunately absent the "equalizing" influence of la guillotine), the French government and its overseers (the entertainment industry), along with a cowering collection of gutless ISPs, have announced an agreement for ISPs to become the Internet Police Force in France. Under the agreement (see below for links) ISPs will monitor users for presumed illegal activities (read that as "file sharing") and send reports on the accused to what amounts to an anti-piracy board. This board could then mete out punishments as it sees fit, including (attempted) banishment from the Internet (via what amounts to a national blacklist). To streamline the process, the entire procedure, as I understand it right now, would operate -- at least initially -- on an extrajudicial basis, without the messy intervention of courts, judges, trials, or other post-Magna Carta niceties that might help to assure that only the truly guilty are punished. Proponents are arguing that this approach will avoid overly severe judicial judgments, but in reality it's clearly an attempt to avoid fixing broken laws, while kowtowing to entertainment industry demands. The utter idiocy and recklessness of this approach is pretty much beyond description. It is ripe for privacy abuses on a grand scale, mistaken identities, false "convictions," and a long list of other associated problems. On the positive side though, the plan is likely to speed widespread adoption of encryption, as even routine Internet communications move to secure and in some cases cloaked channels to avoid these kinds of repressive enforcement regimes. It's one thing to use the conventional legal system to enforce legitimate intellectual property rights, but it's something wholly different to deputize ISPs into Network Monitors, feeding data to what apparently could easily become a Star Chamber operating outside the normal bounds of the conventional legal system. More details from: BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7110024.stm or Le Monde (French): http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0,36-982011,0.html or (Google translation): http://tinyurl.com/2wynfs "Liberty, equality, fraternity"? --Lauren-- Lauren Weinstein lauren () vortex com or lauren () pfir org Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 http://www.pfir.org/lauren Co-Founder, PFIR - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org Co-Founder, NNSquad - Network Neutrality Squad - http://www.nnsquad.org Founder, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com ------------------------------------------- Archives: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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