report from the front -- Jobs 9/11 Disney and Apple

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

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From: "Brock N. Meeks" <bmeeks () cox net>
Date: September 13, 2006 2:55:18 PM JST
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] more on Jobs 9/11 Disney and Apple

I don't know where Richard is getting his information that Massoud "was
notorious" for never had a CIA or US agent get near him; as far as I  
know,
that statement is itself inaccurate.

I covered the real Afghan War and was there just after the Soviets  
left.  I
never personally met Massoud, but I certainly met several of his  
commanders
who weren't shy about answering my questions and seeing to my safety  
inside
Afghanistan (after the Soviets left, the Moscow-based puppet regime  
fought
much harder and braver than anyone in the world previously would have  
given
them credit for).

Massoud most certainly would have met with the CIA; all his weapons were
being supplied by the CIA throughout the Soviet occupation.  And in  
fact, a
huge rift developed between the CIA and Afgan rebel leaders like Massoud
because the CIA weapons pipeline abruptly stopped in March of 1989,  
just as
the Muj were staging an offensive... and without the arms supplies,  
they got
slaughtered.  I saw that slaughter up close and personal.




On 9/13/06 1:22 AM, "David Farber" <dave () farber net> wrote:

> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: Richard Pauli <rpauli () speakeasy net>
> Date: September 13, 2006 1:22:18 PM JST
> To: dave () farber net
> Subject: Fwd: [IP] more on Jobs 9/11 Disney and Apple
>
> Dave,
>
> The movie "Path to 9/11" has it all wrong.
>
> It is very dangerous to have a major broadcaster, licensed by the FCC
> - be allowed to twist facts and propagandize.  Just because there was
> balance does not mean it was fair or truthful.  This movie rewrote
> history  - this was not a Michael Moore film, this was made by ABC-TV
> - we should expect higher standards.
>
> As to the facts, you may recall much from the many news articles back
> then - some in Time Magazine and NYTimes that covered the situation
> in Afghanistan.   After the Russians were expelled, Commander Massoud
> was the greatest promise for Afghans, and was strongly independent of
> both US influence and Islamic radicalism.   As far as anyone knows,
> neither the CIA, nor any US agents ever got near Massoud.  He was
> notorious for that and the filmmakers should have known that.
>
> So the movie fiction of the phone calls to agents on the ground with
> him was total fiction.   And members of the former administration are
> speaking out about other inaccuracies.
>
> Besides, the real and factual events that made up the Path to 9/11
> were far more interesting and dramatic.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Richard Pauli
>
>
> > From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
> > Subject: [IP] more on  Jobs 9/11 Disney and Apple
> > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:19:48 +0900
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> > From: Tim Onosko <onosko () gmail com>
> > Date: September 13, 2006 11:27:02 AM JST
> > To: dave () farber net
> > Subject: Re: [IP] Jobs 9/11 Disney and Apple
> > Reply-To: tim () onosko com
> >
> > Dave Farber:
> >
> > I am neither a conservative nor a Republican, but I watched the ABC
> > film, "The Path to 9/11" on the advice of a friend (a respected
> > historian and someone whom i would consider a poltical liberal) who
> > has worked with the writer of this miniseries before.  I wonder who
> > among those objecting to the program have bothered to watch the film?
> >
> > First, with regard to fairness shown toward the Clinton
> > administration, the cruise missile attack on the Sudan, which was
> > widely criticized at the time (by Republicans and conservatives, no
> > less) as the "Wag the Dog" scenario to distract from the Monica
> > Lewinsky issue, is depicted in a different light and I had new
> > respect for that action considering it in the context shown.  And,
> > again with regard to even-handedness, there is also a scathing scene
> > in which Condoleeza Rice demotes special adviser Richard Clarke, all
> > the while describing it as a restructuring and reassignment.  If
> > anything, my impression is that it is the bureaucracy that is
> > depicted as the real enemy, and characters representing both
> > administrations use compromised language with equal ease.
> >
> > Second, if the film fails, it is because it may be overly ambitious.
> > My own speculation is that someone at ABC watched (and admired)
> > "Syriana" and thought that it was an appropriate direction for this
> > TV film.  While I don't think it comes near meeting "Syriana" for
> > quality of writing, acting, direction, etc., this might have been a
> > good goal.  The problem is that "Path" is twice as long and is an
> > endless litany of (mostly Arabic) names and places.   Many audiences
> > found "Syriana" confusing (although I didn't), so a sizable portion
> > of the ABC audience must have tuned out early, I suspect.
> >
> > I consider myself informed on the subject of 9/11, and I admired Adam
> > Curtis'  excellent BBC documentary, "The Power of Nightmares" (mostly
> > for its superb historical background) but the sheer hailstorm of
> > detail in "Path" was daunting, even for me.  It required attention
> > that I'm sure many viewers were not accustomed to devoting to a TV
> > show.
> >
> > I don't know if I am defending "Path to 9/11" or not, but I do
> > question those who dismiss it without the benefit of having seen it.
> > I think that is unfair to any filmmaker or writer who dares put forth
> > his or her work to be criticized without due consideration.
> > Moreover, Americans need to be more informed about the events and
> > people that have led to the current Middle East situation, not less.
> > And this film is not as easy to dismiss as its critics would have us
> > think.  I does serve a purpose, if only to stimulate debate.
> >
> > The notion that Apple shouldn't do business with Disney/ABC because
> > of this is simplistic and, in my opinion, completely silly.
> >
> > -- Tim Onosko
> >
> >
> > On 9/12/06, David Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:
> >
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> > From: hugh crawford <hugh-list () thoughtballoon com>
> > Date: September 12, 2006 1:09:01 PM JST
> > To: David Farber < dave () farber net>
> > Subject: Jobs 9/11 Disney and Apple
> >
> > Dave,
> > Perhaps someone on the IP list will be in a position at the Apple
> > press event Tuesday to ask Steve Jobs how he feels about Disney
> > possibly alienating a sizable percentage of Apple's customers with
> > The Road To 9/11.
> >
> > I've been hearing a growing murmur of an Apple boycott over The Road
> > To 9/11, and I'd love to hear anything that Jobs would have to say
> > regarding the impact of Disney/ABC's product on Apple's profitability
> > and ability to develop new products
> >
> > -Hugh
> >
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