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DO READ more on "Kabuki theatre" / DHS, etymology of "Heimatschutz" since Goeebels
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:15:45 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: Erich M <me () quintessenz org> Date: October 7, 2006 6:27:50 AM EDT To: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart () pobox com> Cc: dave () farber netSubject: Re: [IP] "Kabuki theatre" / DHS, etymology of "Heimatschutz" since Goeebels
On Tue October 3 2006 02:41 Bill Stewart added to the bitstream:
Here in America the department's name sounds that way too, and it also has Stalinist "Motherland" connotations. If you haven't drunk the neo-conservative Kool-Aid, it's so utterly appalling that it's hard to say it, and Godwin's Law says that if we were to actually *tell* the neocons what they sound like, we'd lose the discussion right there.
Servus Bill,Sorry for being late. That is the point: Choosing such a name led to a PR
disaster amongst the 95 million Europeans speaking German.
I must be. So much of good cross/atlantic relations heve been shattered. InDon't be polite on our account :-)
Europe Anti-Americanism is growing and that is dangerous.Criticism of US politics based on rational arguments is one thing. But the
kakophonic choir from the right is gaining momentum here: dull, stupidAnti-Americanism based on prejudices. The gist: "Americans are a bunch of superficial, greedy and hypocritical trigger-happy cowboys without culture".
Many traditional leftists do not sound very much different, alas.It is us who have to raise our voices against that here. This is the dilemma
you face if you are a freedom loving European.Before 9/11 transatlantic contacts between European civil liberty groups and the US was excellent. German, Austrian and civil liberty avantguardists like
quintessenz.org from all over Europe regularly met with guys like BarrySteinhardt [ACLU] Jim Dempsey [CDT] Marc Rotenberg [EPIC] and numerus EFF
people from 1997 onwards.This was of incredible value to us. The US guys already had experience and
they shared that experience with us who had much less. They knew how to raise fundings and they organized conferences. They helped out witheverything we could not manage during the humble beginnings of a European
cyber/civil liberties movement.The howling of the sirens for the "war on terror" put those special relations
on hold. Contacts were frozen, almost immediately - an instance, we all deeply regret. Greetz from Freud's Own City, Vienna Erich Moechel -- pgp-Key http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE386BAA1 ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as lists-ip () insecure org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
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