more on Karma ...

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

Begin forwarded message:

From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org>
Date: May 13, 2006 9:48:45 AM EDT
To: David Farber <dave () farber net>, David Bolduc  
<bolduc () austin rr com>, Randall <rvh40 () insightbb com>, Dewayne  
Hendricks <dewayne () warpspeed com>
Subject: Re: [IP] more on Karma ...

> > For the time being, there is (according to Robby) virtually no mail
> > filtering done by Insight.  He says for that reason, many ISPs are
> > currently blocking mail from us because of the amount of spam
> > emanating from insightbb.com addresses.

Insight (in whole or in part) is blacklisted not just at ISPs, but on
all kinds of mailservers all over the 'net -- partially because of the
amount of spam/abuse emanating from their network, but also because  
they've
refused to lift a finger to do anything about it -- for years.

So if you're an Insight customer, and you're having difficulty getting
other people to accept email that you're sending outbound from Insight's
network, then you need to take 100% of your complaints to Insight,
because they are 100% responsible for your problem.  (Perhaps as a  
paying
customer you'll have better luck than the rest of us have had.)

Alternatively, you could try to find an ISP where negligence and  
incompetence
aren't standard operating procedure.  (Although admittedly that's not
an easy task; Comcast, Verizon, Adelphia, Cox, and many others have
large network operations that are also dreadfully mismanaged.  If they
weren't, then the spam problem would only be a small fraction of its
current size and we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.)

Here's (below) a list of just the *latest* 500 Insight-hosted systems
which have tried to (a) deliver spam (b) deliver viruses (c) conduct
brute-force SSH attacks or (d) attempt HTTP exploits -- as seen from
just one small (test) server.  (Similar lists from actual production
servers are considerably longer, but I'm just trying to make a point
here, not produce an exhaustive compilation.)

---Rsk

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