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An EFF respose anti-Goodmail coalition resorts to misquotes


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:53:14 -0500



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From: Cindy Cohn <cindy () eff org>
Date: March 20, 2006 12:16:06 PM EST
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] anti-Goodmail coalition resorts to misquotes

Esther Dyson must recognize that ordinary people who receive email also send it. She said she thinks that her ex-boyfriends should pay more to send mail. How is that consistent with AOL's strident assertions that consumers will never pay for email and that "nothing will change" for nonpaying senders?

I think it's fair to point out that on the ultimate question of whether email will remain free under AOL's scheme, Esther actually agrees with our Coalition. Now if AOL would only acknowledge this we could have an honest debate about whether that's a world we want or not.

Also, I find it strange and somewhat sad that Esther would resort to accusing EFF of wanting to stop innovation and progress online. C'mon. We have lots of respect for Esther here at EFF, even when we disagree, and I hope that we can have an honest discussion without that sort of ridiculous rhetoric.

There are plenty of ways to do "certified" or "digitally signed" email without having ISPs choose winners and charge per message. We'd like to see a robust market in such tools. After all, EFF helped free encryption from government control so that things like digital signatures could flourish. AOL's plan will hurt, rather than foster, that market.

Trying to engage the public about the real consequences of AOL's plan isn't anti-progress. It's educating the market. And the market should get a chance to debate whether we want top live in a "pay to send" world or not.

BTW, here's EFF's latest blog post on the debate:
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/

Cindy




On Mar 20, 2006, at 8:27 AM, David Farber wrote:



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From: Esther Dyson <edyson () edventure com>
Date: March 20, 2006 11:03:37 AM EST
To: dave () farber net
Cc: Christina Koukkos <christina () release1-0 com>
Subject: anti-Goodmail coalition resorts to misquotes

For the record, I said that *sending* most mail will cost money, and that much of that money will end up being paid to the recipients. Read below and then follow the link to the NYT to see what I *really* said.

I find it ironic that many of the very people who want to teach evolution in the schools (a position I agree with it), want to stop it on the Internet.

Esther Dyson


From: "Trevor FitzGibbon" <tfitzgibbon () fenton com>
To: <edyson () edventure com>
Subject: Dyson Blows AOL's Cover on E-Tax
Sender: "Trevor FitzGibbon" <tfitzgibbon () fenton com>



DearAOL.com Coalition








FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: CONTACT: Trevor Fitzgibbon, 202-246-5303





Monday, March 20, 2006 Alex Howe, Fenton Communications, 202.822.5200











In New York Times, AOL email tax supporter says

it’s “only right” that in future “most e-mail will cost money”



AOL’s claim that consumers will ultimately pay “Nothing. Zero. Nada.”

is debunked by prominent fan of AOL plan



DearAOL.com Coalition’s “two-tiered Internet” warning is vindicated by Esther Dyson



On Friday’s New York Times op-ed page, AOL email tax supporter Esther Dyson revealed the truth: AOL’s proposed email tax will lead to a world where sending email is no longer free -- and she likes it that way.



“Today, AOL’s own supporter let the cat out of the bag,” said Timothy Karr, campaign director of Free Press, a national, nonpartisan organization working on media reform and Internet policy issues. “AOL’s email tax undermines the foundation of a free and open Internet – ushering in a new era of pay-to-send communications online. Many who are rooting for AOL’s pay-to-send proposal to succeed are those who believe in a two-tiered Internet of haves and have-nots, with huge barriers of entry for the little guy.”



Dyson is an industry insider, an investor in technology start-ups, and a former board member of the Electronic Frontier Foundation (a DearAOL.com coalition member). Her New York Times column Friday was called “You’ve Got Goodmail.” Goodmail is the vendor that would implement AOL’s pay-to-send proposal, and would share hundreds of millions in profits with AOL from the email tax.



Dyson wrote:



“Goodmail has been met with a barrage of criticism and calls for a de facto boycott from several nonprofit and public interest groups. These organizations seem to think that all Internet mail must always be free, just because it was free before. …Of course, the critics say, this is the first step. Pretty soon all mail will cost money, and then the free, open world of the Internet will be closed to poor people, nonprofits and other good guys, while multinational conglomerates fill their ever-growing pockets. I agree that pretty soon sending most e-mail will cost money, but I think that's only right.” (<http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/17/ opinion/17dyson.html>http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/17/opinion/ 17dyson.html )



Dyson’s acknowledgement undermines AOL’s PR scheme for its pay-to- send proposal, which centers on convincing the public that their email tax is “voluntary” and “nothing will change” for everyday emailers.



AOL recently emailed customers who were concerned about their email tax proposal, saying Goodmail is “a purely voluntary” option for “large commercial companies and other organizations” and “in no way means that mailers need to pay to send messages.” Additionally, AOL went so far as to say that after their email tax is implemented, ultimately “Consumers pay nothing. Zero. Nada.” (Source: <http://www.nysun.com/article/28345? page_no=2>http://www.nysun.com/article/28345?page_no=2)



The Silicon Valley-based San Jose Mercury News initially dealt a blow to this claim with a March 5 editorial saying “separate, unequal systems” would develop from AOL’s email tax. It explained, “The temptation would be to neglect the free e-mail system, whose reliability would decline. Eventually, everyone would migrate to the fee-based system. There would be no way around the AOL tollbooth.” (<http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/ opinion/14023726.htm>http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/ news/opinion/14023726.htm )



On Friday, AOL’s assurances were again called into question – this time by AOL’s own supporter, Dyson, who said that AOL’s pay-to- send scheme is a significant step toward a world where “most e- mail will cost money” – which she calls “only right.”



"Esther Dyson apparently believes that email being free is a problem, but the DearAOL.com Coalition believes free email has been a critical part of the digital revolution -- the ability to take a good idea and spread it from 5 to 5 million people without a big bankroll has expanded democratic

participation, increased economic innovation, and bolstered free speech," said Cindy Cohn, Legal Director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation.



The DearAOL.com Coalition represents over 15 million people combined – and has grown from 50 member organizations to 600 in less than three weeks. It’s “Open Letter To AOL” opposing AOL’s email tax has been signed by over 35,000 everyday Internet users online. Coalition members include Craigslist founder Craig Newmark, the Association of Cancer Online Resources, MoveOn.org Civic Action, Gun Owners of America, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Free Press, and others.



More information about the DearAOL.com Coalition and a list of all coalition members are located at <http://www.dearaol.com/ >www.dearaol.com.





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