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From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:44:28 -0500
Begin forwarded message: From: Sean Donelan <sean () DONELAN COM> Date: January 8, 2006 7:09:01 AM EST To: CYBERTELECOM-L () LISTSERV AOL COM Subject: Re: FW: [IP] worth readingReply-To: Telecom Regulation & the Internet <CYBERTELECOM- L () LISTSERV AOL COM>
The are all big companies with hundreds of thousands of people, its amazing they manage to keep things as organized as they do. I have enough trouble just trying to get my family to agree what movie to go see. Since the service is now being sold to the public, at least in limited quantities, folks should be seeing what's happening soon for themselves.This is just what the public could/will discover for themselves using the
service now. Start with the assumption you are buying a fractional IP line. When I ordered Internet service for my ISP, the local telco installed an OC12 line and mux on my premises. But they didn't give me access to the entire OC12, instead they used the mux to break out individual TDM circuits as I ordered more bandwidth. The rest of the OC12 line was used for other services, and sometimes even other customers because it was actually a fiber ring that just passed through the cabinet. With "fractionalized IP" access (VDSL2 or FTTX), instead of fixed TDMchannels on a OC ring, you are buying a fraction of the bandwidth on an IP
connection for "Internet" access, not the entire circuit. The Internet portion works just like the Internet you use today, up to the data rate (3Mbps, 6Mbps, etc), you bought to anywhere on the Internet, using any IP protocol you want (modulo the usual AUP conditions such as no sending spam, etc). The more Internet bandwidth you want, the more expensive it is. The "Internet" charge includes both the local access line bandwidth and also a portion of the regional and backbone transit networks costs. The telco's used to call this the GSP (Global Service Provider) charge, now its just part of your Internet bill.If you buy Internet access, you can still use it for VOIP or IPTV service
with any other provider on the Internet, within the constraints of the bandwidth you bought for Internet access. It works just as well or poorly as it works on today's Internet. The other part of the "fractionalized IP" VDSL2 bandwidth (e.g. 25Mbps minus the 6Mbps used for Internet, which you didn't pay for) is used for other carrier services. If you just want video or voice service, you don't need to buy any Internet access bandwidth at all. If you only wanted carrier IPTV service, your set-top box would get IP access to the carrier's local video servers, not the Internet. If you only wantedcarrier voice access, your ATA would get IP access to the carrier's local
voice servers, not the Internet. Its no different than today if you ordered cable TV service, but not cable modem service. Or order telephone service, but not DSL Internet service. The fractionalized IP access line functions like two or three parallel access networks over the access line, just at the IP layer instead of separate ATM PVCs or cable RF channels. People are buying access to different "virtual" networks. You can buy access to the video network,the voice network or the Internet network. Just because you buy access to
one of the networks, doesn't mean you get access to all of the bandwidth on the physical circuit. The x-PON used for FTTX may have a separate lambda for downstream video broadcast. In that case, it has a separate layer 2 network in addition ot the two-way video IP traffic over the IP network. Folks can get very confused about what traffic goes through the broadcast lamda and which traffic goes over the two-way lambdas.You don't "see" the bandwidth being used for carrier's IPTV or IPVoice any
more than your PC "sees" the bandwidth being used for your cable video channels or telephone POTS lines today. Your PC can't go above the Internet access rate you bought on the fractionalized IP line, just like you buy DSL/Cable service today. The difference is instead of the line rate being controlled by the DSL sync rate or DOCSIS configuration, the Internet access rate is controlled by a leaky bucket IP queue set to your purchased access rate (e.g. 3Mbps, 6Mbps, etc) for each virtual network over the fractionalized IP circuit. If you don't buy/use the carrier's voice or video service, the Internet service is effectively the only service on the VDSL2 access link, so QOS just acts as a bandwidth limiter based on the access rate you bought. In that case, there is nothing to "prioritize" beyond a few link management messages. If you have multiple services on a 25Mbps access line. For example, 15Mbps to the carrier's video servers, 512Kbps to the carrier's voice servers, and 6Mbps anywhere else (i.e. the Internet). In case the line sync rate crashes through the floor, e.g. drops to only a few hundred Kbps because the line is bad, QOS is important so your phone still works (has first priority on the remaining hundred Kbps) when you call the carrier to fix the line. Cable companies reserve bandwidth for their"Digital Voice" services for the same reason. Again, if you don't use the
carrier's voice or video service, if the line sync rate crashes whatever bandwidth available up to the maximum you bought for Internet access is available for whatever service you can push through the remaining bandwidth. Once you go above the reserved bandwidth for Internet access and also use other services from the carrier, you have oversubscribe the line, and you are faced with choices. Regardless of how big you make the line (remember when 56K DDS circuits where considered fast), bandwidth needs always expand and you always face the problem of oversubscription and how to pay for upgrades. The carrier could offer "burstable" Internet access up to the link rate, but would people understand what happens when they use more bandwidth than exists on their access line when they are sharing bandwidth among all the services instead of reserving fixed amounts of each service? Tech savvy people may understand they have a total of X-Mbps of bandwidth. When they turn on 10 HD video streams, will they be surprised if they see macroblocking. Other people probably will call their service provider to complain their TV doesn't work or they aren't getting thefull X-Mbps downloads at the same time as watching HD sports on their TV.
In the near term, under-promising so you can over-deliver seems a safer path. That's probably why 6Mbps (instead of 25Mbps) is the top Internet access rate now for VDSL2 and 30Mbps (instead of 100Mbps) is the top Internet access rate for FTTP. The carriers have probably changed their plans 10 times since I left, so I have no idea what they are planning to do. ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as lists-ip () insecure org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
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