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From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:38:42 -0500
Begin forwarded message: From: EEkid () aol com Date: January 20, 2006 2:20:59 PM EST To: dave () farber netSubject: Re: [IP] WARNING: We're operating in a digital sewer! (but, you all know that...
Mr. Farber,I agree with the article. I am routinely drafted into supporting all sorts of family computer problems. By family, I mean relatives. Recently, I was given a computer owned by my wife's nephew. He is 13 and his computer comes to a halt about every 5-7 months do to serious multiple virus infections. He uses McAfee antivirus and firewall set for auto update.
Recently, his computer became so slow it was unusable. It literally took 15 minutes to boot. Just as the author of the article stated, I used three different anti-virus programs to scan the hard drive. Each found virus infections the others missed. Even after cleaning up the spyware and virus's, the computer would not stop attempting to connect to a server via the internet. Yet, none of the updated virus scans would find the culprit.
Finally, I had to reformat the hard drive and that solved the problem.It's clear to me that running updated anti-virus software is inadequate in the anti-virus fight now days. The virus makers are churning them out faster than the anti-virus folks can update their software.
Thanks, JerryIn a message dated 1/18/2006 4:17:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dave () farber net writes:
Begin forwarded message: From: Steve Goldstein <steve.goldstein () cox net> Date: January 18, 2006 4:06:36 PM EST To: "David Farber [IP]" <dave () farber net>, dewayne () warpspeed com (Dewayne Hendricks) Subject: WARNING: We're operating in a digital sewer! (but, you all know that, right?) I'll try to make this short: I normally use a Macintosh, and they are, to the best of our knowledge, pretty safe from viruses and spyware. But, I also have a PC running Windows XP, and I have anti-virus real-time protection as well as the Windows Firewall and anti-spyware protection in real time. I also have two spyware programs that run automatically (and update themselves automatically) early each morning (XSoftSpy and Microsoft AntiSpyware beta), PLUS I manually run AdAware SE and Spybot Search & Destroy, AND have SpywareBlaster resident (for even more protection). Now for the kicker: I used to run the Norton security suite, but Norton became a pain in the butt about updating fee renewal, so I switched to the Cox High Speed Internet Security Suite (free download for Windows from Cox Cable, my ISP--chances are that if you are a high-speed subscriber, your ISP also offers a free security suite download). Well...much to my surprise and amazement, the Cox suite found a new virus (W32/Backdoor) and several instances of spyware that none of the other spyware applications had found!!! The Cox suite is, I believe, supported by other commercial security product vendors, that is, neither authored nor maintained by Cox Cable itself. The only downside is that it wants to update itself often, sometimes three or four times a day, and more often than not, the updates require a restart (reboot). For the most part, I just download e-mail (with Eudora, not one of the Microsoft clients) and use Front Page to maintain a web site (this is my main reason for using a PC at all; I am told that if I try to use any other HTML maintenance tool like DreamWeaver, the code will be all mangled for others that might want to use Front Page on the site). Occasionally, I will use the Firefox browser to read my Yahoo! portal page or to do some on-line window shopping while I am waiting for other applications to complete their tasks. I also use MS Word and Acrobat reader on the PC as part of the web site maintenance. So, in general, I practice pretty safe computing with the PC, AND STILL, IT GETS INFECTED!! All I can surmise is that the public Internet is a stinking sewer, teeming with infections. And, I'd wager that at least 90% of Windows users are much less fastidious about computing hygiene than I, so when you add their computers to the equation, the state of the 'net is even worse, because they unknowingly participate in spreading infections. I cannot offer any easy solutions for Windows users. I do not believe that any exist. I feel much better about doing 90% of my work on a Macintosh, and I only hope that I have not lulled myself into a false sense of security in that regard (though I have the Mac Firewall turned on, and I have active virus protection with the free application, Clam Xav). I hope that I have not bored you. --Steve ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as EEkid () aol com To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ipArchives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting- people/
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