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worth reading "A Piece of the Action" (was: Charging "content providers" ...)
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:56:07 -0500
Begin forwarded message: From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren () vortex com> Date: January 17, 2006 2:21:48 PM EST To: dave () farber net Cc: lauren () vortex com Subject: "A Piece of the Action" (was: Charging "content providers" ...) Dave, Let's be really clear about what's being talked about here. First, if BellSouth gets away with this, the content providers (and by extension the customers of those content providers, who will ultimately foot the bill) will have to similarly deal with all of the ISPs, phone companies, exchange points, and other entities around the world who want their individual "pieces of the action." Many end users may not see any improvements, since the overall bandwidth they get is dependent not only on (for example) the speeds that BellSouth supplies to the distant content providers who are not their customers, but also on the subscriber line speeds, subscribers' individual computer speeds/capabilities, etc.--that is, the *overall bandwidth end-to-end*. A big pipe from BellSouth does no good if everything else along the line isn't up to the same capacity. Like water through hoses, the maximum flow rate is determined by the narrowest points. And remember, what appears to be under discussion here is not really providing *additional* bandwidth -- rather, these appear to be offers not to *restrict* available bandwidth, said restrictions of course subject to revisions and additional charges when it's deemed desirable to squeeze more money out of the content providers or others. I would not assert that BellSouth is necessarily doing anything illegal in this regard under *current* law. But in the non-telecom world, there's a term for demanding money in exchange for refraining from disrupting or restricting the commerce of those whose profits you would like to share. It's called "selling protection" -- and it was honed to a fine art by Al Capone and his ilk in Old Chicago. The IOIC (International Open Internet Coalition - http://www.ioic.net ) project which you, Peter Neumann, and I have recently announced, hopes to address many of these related issues directly, of course. --Lauren-- Lauren Weinstein lauren () vortex com or lauren () pfir org Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 http://www.pfir.org/lauren Co-Founder, PFIR - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org Co-Founder, IOIC - International Open Internet Coalition - http://www.ioic.net Moderator, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com DayThink: http://daythink.vortex.com - - -
Begin forwarded message: From: DV Henkel-Wallace <gumby () henkel-wallace org> Date: January 17, 2006 1:37:30 PM EST To: David Farber <dave () farber net> Subject: Charging "content providers" is now beginning. Dave, So now it begins. I'm especially disappointed that Cuban gets this wrong. -d BellSouth wants new Net fees http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B02432D2D-1EE0-4037- A15F-54B748D6CF26%7D&siteid=mktw&dist= By Frank Barnako, MarketWatch Last Update: 4:40 PM ET Jan. 16, 2006 WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- BellSouth Corp. confirmed Monday that it is pursuing discussions with Internet content companies to levy charges to reliably and speedily deliver their content and services. Bill Smith, chief technology officer at BellSouth justified content charging companies by saying they are using the telco's network without paying for it. "Higher usage for broadband services drives more costs that we have to recover," he said in a telephone interview. He suggested that Apple Computer might be asked to pay a nickel or a dime to insure the complete and rapid transmission of a song via the Internet, which is being used for more and more content-intensive purposes. He cited Yahoo Inc.'s plans to stream reality TV shows as an example. "It's the shipping business of the digital age," Smith said, arguing that consumers should welcome the pay-for-delivery concept. BellSouth has discussed its idea with MovieLink, a film-download service. He called MovieLink an example of the kind of company that wants customers to have a good experience and would view costs incurred in the strengthening of BellSouth's Internet capacity as worthwhile. Smith also said online game companies are likely candidates for charges. Over the weekend, Internet entrepreneur and NBA team owner Mark Cuban wrote on his blog at BlogMaverick.com that such fees are critical to the survival of the Internet. "Our ability to consume bandwidth is growing far, far faster than the speed at which it is being added," he said. "The more bandwidth we consume, the more Internet traffic jams we have." Cuban wants telephone and cable and wireless companies to work out a way to deliver traffic at various levels of service quality. "Yes, that will mean some content will cost more if we want it faster," he conceded. "But that will be our choice." ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as lauren () pfir org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ipArchives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting- people/
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