more on editors query

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

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From: Bruce R Koball <bkoball () well com>
Date: September 26, 2005 1:43:27 PM EDT
To: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Subject: Re: [IP] more on editors query


Dave,

At the risk of raising the ire of your "letter of the law" readers and
rehashing a well-worn fair use debate, I will suggest that your current
custom of occasionally including complete copyrighted articles is  
serving
the greater good. I believe that by maintaining this forum, with its
remarkably diverse and thoughtful readership, you are performing an
important public service. And as far as I'm aware, you derive no
compensation from it.

To the extent that an effort to meet the letter of the law will either
cost you more time to maintain the list or force you to include less
information, I think all your readers will suffer. I'll also point out
that by including complete text of important pieces instead of just
pointing with URLs this forum, at least in a small way, can inoculate  
the
public record against inadvertent link rot and intentional historical
revision.

-brk-

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On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, David Farber wrote:



> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: steven cherry <steven () panix com>
> Date: September 26, 2005 9:28:48 AM EDT
> To: David Farber <dave () farber net>
> Subject: Re: [IP] editors query
>
>
> The short answer is, no, there's no quick abstracting tool.
>
> As to the question of fair use and whole articles, versus snippets,
> my own opinion, and not speaking for my employer, is that it is
> a fair use. And as a writer, I have to say, I love for my words
> to be read - any way they get into people's hands is fine.
>
> That said, when I forward items in our publication that I think would
> be of interest to the list, I usually send a snippet. We
> prefer that articles be read at our site, not just for the pageview
> traffic, but because the articles look better, they read better, they
> contain their links to sidebars, and, most importantly, they have any
> corrections or changes or forward links we may have added since
> publication. If it were just the immediate IP readership,
> it would be less of a big deal. But IP is archived widely around
> the Web.
>
> For those reasons, snippets are usually better. As it turns out, most
> feature stories are written in such a way that while the
> first couple of paragraphs don't, as you note, give the right
> sense of an article, the first one-sixth or so usually does. In
> a Spectrum article, it's usually (not always) everything up to
> the first paragraph that has a bold lead-in. Posting those first
> paragraphs (it's usually about 10-12 paragraphs, in a full-length
> feature story), along with something like [more] or [etc], to
> let IP readers know that's not the whole article, might be an
> effective good compromise.
>
>   Steven
>
> --
>    Steven Cherry, +1 212-419-7566
>    Senior Associate Editor
>    IEEE Spectrum, 3 Park Ave,  New York, NY 10016
>    <s.cherry () ieee org>  <http://www.spectrum.ieee.org>
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, David Farber wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > Sometimes I send complete articles to IP. I get occasional
> > complaints from IPers about the use of full copyrighted articles
> > and while I believe it is fair use, I would rather not test the
> > position IF I had an easy way of getting a brief abstract of the
> > web page with the url I could send out.
> >
> > Does anyone know of any browser (MAC based) that can do that for  
> > me. ?
> >
> > just snipping the beginning does not often give any sense of the
> > article and I just don;'t have the time to compose an abstract.
>
>
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