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more on so much for TSA employees
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:04:39 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joehall () gmail com> Date: September 22, 2005 2:57:47 PM EDT To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net> Subject: Re: [IP] so much for TSA employees Reply-To: joehall () pobox com On 9/22/05, David Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:
Mayor of Houston says big big delays at Houston airport since 120 plus TSAers did not show for duty
... and be careful what you say to TSA employees. As Jason Schultz (EFF) explains below in a post entitled, "No First Amendment right to tell TSA screeners they live in a bubble", the 6th circuit just ruled that things you say which "interfere" with the TSA's job is not protected under the first amendment... and it appears that the TSA employee can determine what constitutes "interference". --- <http://lawgeek.typepad.com/lawgeek/2005/09/no_first_amendm.html> ## September 22, 2005 ### No First Amendment right to tell TSA screeners they live in a bubble You can [wear a jacket][1] with "Fuck The Draft" on the back into a court of law, but, according to the [Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals][2], don't even think about swearing loudly at any TSA officials who make you miss your plane. Today, the Court [ruled][3] that TSA can arrest and fine you for swearing loudly and belligerently while you're being searched at the airport security check because it "interferes" with the TSA's job. The court rejected any First Amendment right to free speech, claiming that while asking a "good-faith question" with profanity in it or even "grumbling" with profanity would not be enough for a fine, the conduct here somehow constituted more. Specifically, the court ruled:
Petitioner's conduct in this case, however, cannot be characterized
as simply asking a good-faith question while using profanities or as grumbling about not being allowed to walk back through the metal detector or the delay in being hand-wanded.** Rather, Petitioner interfered with the screener in the performance of his duties by actively engaging the screener with loud and belligerent conduct, and, after being asked not to use profanities, by exclaiming that the screener should be in a different line of work, that he should live in a bubble, and that it was a free country in which he could say what he pleased.** Due to the escalating loud and belligerent nature of Petitioner's conduct directed at the screener, the screener needed to shut down his line and call over his supervisor. Thus, Petitioner's conduct interfered with the screener's duty to both thoroughly screen passengers and to do so in an efficient manner. Is this really a justifiable difference? So its okay to ask the TSA "Why the fuck do I have to take my shoes off?" but not to tell them they live in a bubble or that this is a free country? The other disturbing aspect of this opinion is how the court characterizes when speech can qualify as "conduct" that interferes with TSA official duties. Here, the defendant was complying with all instructions by the TSA official; he was just complaining about it loudly while doing so. The only reason this "interfered" with the TSA official doing his duty was because he let it interfere. In other words, if the TSA official had ignored Rendon's comments, no interference would have occurred. It was only by reacting to the comments that anything changed. This basically allows any government official to arrest and fine you for "interfering" with their work the minute they decide that they don't want to listen to you anymore, not because you are objectively obstructing or preventing them from doing their job. I realize, of course, that getting yelled at makes it difficult for anyone to do their job and especially someone in security who has to pay close attention to things, but it worries me that the court here didn't spend more time establishing a more objective standard for when someone crosses that line. [1]: http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/comm/free_speech/cohen.html [2]: http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/ [3]: http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/05a0399p-06.pdf -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall UC Berkeley, SIMS PhD Student <http://josephhall.org/> blog: <http://josephhall.org/nqb2/> This email is written in [markdown] - an easily-readable and parseable text format. [markdown]: http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/ ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as lists-ip () insecure org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
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