more on SBC to raise DSL pricing 25-43% (unless you bundle)

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

Begin forwarded message:

From: Bob Porter <bobporter () theideasgroup com>
Date: October 31, 2005 3:43:09 PM EST
To: dave () farber net
Subject: RE: [IP] more on SBC to raise DSL pricing 25-43% (unless you  
bundle)


Just a note about the issue of SBC installation mucking with your  
system,
browser, and toolbar.
None of that is necessary.
I have had to reinstall my SBC DSl several times over the last year  
or two
only too discover that you don't need their software to install their  
DSl at
all.
You only need their modem and set it to the correct username and  
password
and you have IP to your machine or in my case to my router.
I know that that is not how the install instructions read but it is  
so and I
have nothing at all of SBC/Yahoo's installed on my computer. This all  
became
obvious when trying to troubleshoot some connection issues after a  
complete
reinstall of XP following a computer crash.

Bob Porter

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-----Original Message-----
From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:40 AM
To: Ip Ip
Subject: [IP] more on SBC to raise DSL pricing 25-43% (unless you  
bundle)



Begin forwarded message:

From: Bob Frankston <Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com>
Date: October 31, 2005 11:35:36 AM EST
To: 'Richard Wiggins' <richard.wiggins () gmail com>, 'David Farber'
<dave () farber net>
Cc: "David P. Reed" <dpreed () reed com>
Subject: RE: [IP] more on SBC to raise DSL pricing 25-43% (unless you
bundle)


I basically get such an IPtone on my cable connections. I just plug
in and
that's that. Used to matter what IP address I used. My router (Dual WAN
Xincom) normalizes DSL to give me an IPTone.

To a large extent the requirement to run special software is borne of a
combination of cluelessness on the part of the carriers and an
attempt to
slip some marketware into your computer.

Ultimately the idea they are offering services leads them to
misinterpret
end-to-end as womb-to-tomb and view customers who want to take
responsibility for their own computing as cheating.

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Wiggins [mailto:richard.wiggins () gmail com]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:12
To: David Farber
Cc: Bob2-19-0501 () bobf frankston com
Subject: Re: [IP] more on SBC to raise DSL pricing 25-43% (unless you
bundle)

To my knowledge, NO mainstream residential broadband provider gives
you the straight "IP dialtone" that many consider ideal.

The SBC/Yahoo DSL installation process is unnecessarily long and
laborious and it mucks with your browser to rebrand it in their name
-- much more invasive than adding a toolbar.

In general it's been my impression that DSL providers are more prone
to do invasive things to your computer, but last week I had to do an
emergency installation of Comcast cable modem service (after the lawn
sprinkler installers cut our phone lines) and they required you to run
proprietary stuff to enable the service.  I had to do Windows registry
edits to remove their logo from IE.

Asking right now if SBC understands things better than AT&T is
deliciously ironic, given the merger and name change in progress.  :-)

/rich

On 10/31/05, David Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:


> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Bob Frankston <Bob2-19-0501 () bobf frankston com>
> Date: October 30, 2005 10:09:20 PM EST
> To: dave () farber net, 'Ip Ip' <ip () v2 listbox com>
> Cc: 'Frank Muto' <info () ISPNETWORKS ORG>
> Subject: RE: [IP] SBC to raise DSL pricing 25-43% (unless you bundle)



> What does it mean to bundle Yahoo anyway -- I get their toolbar
> installed
> as a "favor"? What other implications?
>
> Does SBC understand connectivity any better than ATT did?




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