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more on any help -- FCC: we don't need no steenkin line sharing
From: Nexus <dave () farber net>
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:11:16 -0500
------- Original message ------- From: James Seng <jseng () pobox org sg> Sent: 30/3/'05, 11:05 http://james.seng.sg/archives/2005/03/26/naked_dsl_dilemma.html I have been thinking about Naked DSL ever since the story about FCC is about to grant Bellsouth naked DSL petition broke a few days ago. And of course, the subsequent suspension of various states decision by FCC. Most propongates of IP Telephony considered Naked DSL as absolutely neccessary to get VoIP adoption. Afterall, why bother with VoIP if you are forced to take up POTS before you can have your DSL to get IP Telephony. From that perspective, the decision to have Naked DSL is fairly simple one - no way we should grant Bellsouth petition. But that's coming from an evangelism point of view, one that may not convience many people who do not share the vision of IP Telephony. I shall give an alternative perspective why Bellsouth petition is dangerous. My argument is based on two assumptions: 1) First assumption is we believe in Free Market (and I absolutely do believe in Free Market). Free Market means we allow a competitive market to sort out the winners and losers. In this argument, we should allow Bellsouth to makes it own business decision to offer Naked DSL or not, excuses or not. They may choose to offer naked DSL like Qwest or they may not. If they didn't then competitions like cable who does not bundled with POTS may be more attractive to consumers, and Bellsouth will lose market share. 2) Second assumption is we believe that monopoly (regardless natural or coercive) have to be regulated (or deal with by other means, e.g. antitrust) to ensure general public interests are not been abused by the monopoly. In this regard, Bellsouth petition should not be granted in areas where Bellsouth is a monopoly without alternative competitions. It wouldn't be a competitive market if there is no competitions, would it? Following these two assumptions, Bellsouth petition to pre-empt PUCs from mandating it to provide Naked DSL should not be granted by FCC. Instead, PUCs are in a better position to judge if Bellsouth odd to be regulated or to be allowed compete freely because siutations are different in different part of US. While I like the concept of naked DSL, I think the decision to mandate Naked DSL or not would differ from places to places - ie, it is not a uniform yes or no. (Regardless how much I like IP Telephony, I believe in Free Market even more.) But it is even harder in the context of Singapore, where only 1 in 5 broadband users are on cable, a market with choices but not quite competitive. Should we mandate Singtel Magix1 to provide Naked DSL because they are a market monopoly or should we let the market forces works itself out. For that, I am still thinking... ps: Please note the disclaimer below : I do not speak for IDA here in this blog. 1 Singtel Magix is the sole DSL provider in Singapore. Everyone who provides DSL like Singnet or Pacnet is a reseller of Singtel Magix. -James Seng On 28-Mar-05, at AM 06:14, David Farber wrote:
------ Forwarded Message From: Robert Lee <robertslee () verizon net> Reply-To: <robertslee () verizon net> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:52:13 -0500 To: <dave () farber net> Subject: RE: [IP] FCC: we don't need no steenkin line sharing Dave, 1. This does not quite address the issue of naked DSL for me. I thought the recent decision was that Bell South did not have to offer naked DSL. 2. If this is that decision then one would assume that the FCC was making the leap that anyone getting naked DSL would get VOIP and that VOIP was a "voice service". I would like to hear in layman's language what this means! Robert Lee -----Original Message----- From: owner-ip () v2 listbox com [mailto:owner-ip () v2 listbox com] On Behalf Of David Farber Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 1:47 PM To: Ip Subject: [IP] FCC: we don't need no steenkin line sharing ------ Forwarded Message From: d berns <dberns () PANIX COM> Reply-To: Telecom Regulation & the Internet <CYBERTELECOM-L () LISTSERV AOL COM> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:22:57 -0500 To: <CYBERTELECOM-L () LISTSERV AOL COM> Subject: FCC: we don't need no steenkin line sharing "The Commission has before it a petition for declaratory ruling filed by BellSouth Telecommunications, Inc. (BellSouth) regarding issues stemming from the Triennial Review Order. As explained below, because the Commissions national unbundling rules in the Triennial Review Order directly address the primary issue raised by BellSouth, we grant BellSouths petition to the extent described in this Order. "Specifically, applying section 251(d)(3) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended (the Act), we find that a state commission may not require an incumbent local exchange carrier (LEC) to provide digital subscriber line (DSL) service to an end user customer over the same unbundled network element (UNE) loop facility that a competitive LEC uses to provide voice services to that end user. "For the reasons set forth below, we conclude that state decisions that impose such an obligation are inconsistent with and substantially prevent the implementation of the Act and the Commissions federal unbundling rules and policies set forth in the Triennial Review Order that implement sections 251(c) ..... rest at: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-05-78A1.txt [a] http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-05-78A1.doc [b] http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-05-78A1.pdf [c] [a] messy ascii [b] Word Doc [c] PDF (most FCC material is available in all three forms. URLs are identical except for the trailing extension). Further info on the main FCC page: http://www.fcc.gov ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as robertslee () verizon net To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as james () seng cc To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
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