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more on NYC to search transit riders' bags -- but ...
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:18:44 -0400
read attached msg first Begin forwarded message: From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren () vortex com> Date: July 22, 2005 10:08:32 AM EDT To: krulwich () yahoo com Cc: dave () farber net, lauren () vortex com Subject: Re: [IP] NYC to search transit riders' bags -- but ... Bruce, I agree with you 100% about the likely shift in targets, and in fact that was a key point in my original discussion. And the actions of the security guards you describe are as heroic as their deaths are tragic. However, I can't detect anything at all "flip" about my referenced comments -- so I'm a bit mystified by your closing sentence. In any case, my point is that I'm asking for the authorities to stop treating us like children when it comes to what they're saying about the real risks and the true effectiveness(or lack thereof) of the public measures they're taking in these regards.
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Dave,I just got back from a visit to the NY area (I live in Israel), and agree that anti-terror policies in the U.S. seem silly and ineffective. But in responseto:And most depressingly, exactly how will this policy prevent suicide bombers (presumably a key demographic) from exploding their payloads in the terminals prior to or during inspections, or bombers in general simply shifting from mass transit to any number of other "soft" targets around the metropolitan area (sidewalks? stores? shopping centers? Times Square?)On the one hand, I think it's clear that if/when terrorist get serious about terrorizing Americans, they'll avoid the so-called "big targets" completelyand hit run-of-the-mill supermarkets in all the "Podunk Iowa"'s of the country. This will avoid security and will more effectively terrorizeAmericans. In Israel there have been virtually zero terrorist acts at major government or military places, or at "big targets," they've all been targetsclose to entry points or targets that were easy.On the other hand, over a dozen Israeli security guards at coffee shops have given their lives so that terrorists would explode outside coffee shops instead of inside, resulting in much less loss of life. So let's watch theflip comments a bit. --Bruce
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