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more on increasing idiocy in TSA <sigh> (will fingernails be next?)
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:36:23 -0500
------ Forwarded Message From: Jason Weisberger <jweisberger () mac com> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:21:42 -0800 To: <dave () farber net>, <ip () v2 listbox com> Subject: Re: [IP] more on increasing idiocy in TSA <sigh> (will fingernails be next?) Dave, This kind of commentary just isn't helpful. If people are really concerned with the, seemingly in this thread, draconian activity of the TSA - why don't we see some activist groups protesting and attempting to force them to abide by the regulations that govern them? I searched Google and didn't see any... Comparisons, by the gentleman who works at a company named Brandenburg, that somehow the TSA is the equivalent to an Einsatzkommando is a bit much for me. There is a clear need for airport security and while ours may be flawed, it certainly isn't a horrible crime against humanity that people are limited from bringing allen keys onto airplanes when a TSA employee is alert enough to see them. For people who are concerned about what they are and are not permitted to bring on an airplane, in regulations created by our elected Government, they provide a nice URL: http://www.tsa.gov/public/display?theme=183&content=09000519800720a4 I haven't seen the regulations posted at EVERY airport, but I do see them posted - in the form of picture representations of certain items with graphics clearly expressing their prohibited nature - at a few; Oakland comes to mind. I mean, seriously, I don't love our current government - but I'm having a hard time drawing tangents between the SS and the TSA. Comments like that both cloud the picture by creating imaginary connections and demean the very necessary point regarding what happens when you do not pay attention to extremist groups looking to do wrong. The TSA guards appear, to me, mostly a bunch of people trying to earn a buck and follow some arbitrary rules. I don't sense any dedication, when I go through security, of hardened defenders of what is right. I've had conversations with them regarding items they wanted to confiscate and it was quickly elevated to supervisors; a decision was made by someone as educated and as thoughtful as the paltry salary can command. We aren't hiring our best and brightest, we're putting automatons in place to push a button, glance at a screen and wand people through. I am sure the TSA tries to get as much critical thought as you can from them - but really, what can you expect? So - maybe we're under paying these people and not getting the customer service and critical thought we'd like from airport screeners - but a group of authority abusing, mass murdered doesn't seem to be forming behind the metal detectors just yet. Jason Weisberger On Jan 17, 2005, at 10:38 AM, David Farber wrote:
------ Forwarded Message From: Dave Crocker <dhc2 () dcrocker net> Reply-To: Dave Crocker <dcrocker () bbiw net> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:20:27 -0800 To: <dave () farber net>, Ip <ip () v2 listbox com> Subject: Re: [IP] increasing idiocy in TSA <sigh> (will fingernails be next?) On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:31:51 -0500, David Farber wrote:In discussing the issue with TSA, they said there is a "New" rule that says no tools of any kind are allowed as carry-on.Given that the actual rules are not posted at inspection stations, and even supervisors frequently will not provide details of the rules, agents seem to use this assertion of new rules freely, with no concern for whether it is true. (Alas, it often isn't.) So it has become merely another passenger "control" technique.I pointed out how much smaller and less effective small allen wrenches were, than keys or nail clippers (which are allowed). His answer was that the higher ups know more than we do, ...Somehow, that seems strikingly similar to "I was just following orders". I seem to recall efforts to use that excuse in Nuremberg... d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking +1.408.246.8253 dcrocker a t ... WE'VE MOVED to: www.bbiw.net ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as jweisberger () mac com To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
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