more on Rummy LOVES covert citizen-tracking!

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:48:44 -0500
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Subject: RE: [IP] Rummy LOVES covert citizen-tracking!

The only way TIA or something like it won't be attempted would be to ban it
or anything like it.  And that would be ridiculous.  The only thing wrong
with DARPA's plan was the lousy job they did explaining it to the public.
Inflammatory newspaper stories turned it into a plan to keep dossiers on
every living soul--a complete misunderstanding of what DARPA was doing.

I have no idea whether TIA could ever be made to work. But I don't have the
least objection to a government effort to study the idea.  The resulting
discoveries can then be put out in the open, and properly regulated, instead
of being developed on the sly, and subject to who-knows-how much abuse.

Hiawatha Bray 

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From: Jim Warren <jwarren () well com>
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:49:08 -0800
To: "<Dave Farber:;>"
Subject: Rummy LOVES covert citizen-tracking!

Remember the TIA - Total Information Awareness - program pursued by
Irangate's Poindexter, a few years ago ... to collect comprehensive
information on all [previously presumed innocent] American citizens?
That was begrudgingly killed after word of it leaked [flooded] all over the
Internet, and eventually even dribbled onto Fox News?

Well ... you didn't REALLY think this administration's political appointees
were going to give up on such a wonderful citizen-profiling scheme as that
... did you?

And apparently without any knowledge or approval by Congress, either.
Apparently, the much-tauted "rule of law" doesn't apply to those in power.

--jim


> USA
>
> RUMMY'S PERSONAL SS BRANCH IN THE NEWS
>
>
> "Rummy", US Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, has, once again,
> gotten himself into serious trouble by ignoring the US Congress despite
> the fact that it is dominated by his right- wing Republican Party
> colleagues. Powerful Republican Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) made his
> usualy understated concerning Rummy by saying: "I'm always sorry to
> read about things in 'The Washington Post' when they affect a committee
> [the Senate Armed Services Committee] that I am a member of."
>
> Yes, Rummy has created a new and secret Pentagon espionage unit called
> the Strategic Support Branch, and forgot to tell anyone.
>   ...(cut)...
> ------------------
>
> It had no more than the above so I did a Google search:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=Strategic+Support+Branch
>
> Start your morning out right...
>
> D
>
>
> "No, my friend, the way to have good and safe government, is not to
> trust it all to one, but to divide it among the many, distributing to
> every one exactly the functions he is competent to. Let the national
> government be entrusted with the defence of the nation, and its foreign
> and federal relations; the State governments with the civil rights,
> laws, police, and administration of what concerns the State generally;
> the counties with the local concerns of the counties, and each ward
> direct the interests within itself. It is by dividing and subdividing
> these republics from the great national one down through all its
> subordinations, until it ends in the administration of every man's farm
> by himself; by placing under every one what his own eye may
> superintend, that all will be done for the best. What has destroyed
> liberty and the rights of man in every government which has ever existed
under the sun?"
> -- Thomas Jefferson, to Joseph Cabell, 1816
>
> http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch4s34.html


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