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From: "David Farber" <dave () farber net>
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:57:55 -0500 (EST)
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From: "Steven M. Bellovin" <smb () cs columbia edu> Date: Sat, December 17, 2005 11:45 am To: dave () farber net -------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are a lot of things, of course, that bother me about this incident. I think what bothers me most, about this and about many parts of the Patriot Act, is the sense that the executive branch is trying to avoid any oversight or public comment whatsoever. What they want, by definition, is right and must be done. Please note that although I'm currently speaking about the Bush administration, prior administrations are not without fault. The Patriot Act was not created de novo on 9/12; rather, most of its provisions came from a long wish list that the Justice Department, the FBI, and more had been compiling for a long time. Most of the controversial provisions do not grant law enforcement new powers, though; rather, they grant law enforcement new powers *without a warrant*. Why is asking a judge an undue burden? Yesterday's NY Times gave part of the administration's answer: sometimes, it's just too urgent a situation. Guess what? The law makes provisions for such situations. Part of FISA, 50 USC 1805(f) permits emergency wiretaps as long as a judge is notified and a court order requested within 72 hours. A similar provision exists in the regular wiretap law. But we can't see the administration's analysis; it's classified. A legal analysis, classified? I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, given that we've heard claims that secret laws and regulations are permissible. Probably, the best summary is the news analysis in today's Times, which starts "A single, fiercely debated legal principle lies behind nearly every major initiative in the Bush administration's war on terror, scholars say: the sweeping assertion of the powers of the presidency." An administration that tries to appoint judges who adhere to the original intent of the framers of the Constitution should pay more attention to history. In particular, it's instructive to read British history from, say, 1215 -- the year of the Magna Carta -- until the drafting of the Bill of Rights. The ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as lists-ip () insecure org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
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