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From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 01:18:48 -0500



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From: Zachariah Mully <zmully () smartbrief com>
Date: December 8, 2005 9:36:59 PM EST
To: dave () farber net, Brock.Meeks () msnbc com
Subject: Re: [IP] Baghdad in your Backyard

David Farber wrote:
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From: Brock Meeks <Brock.Meeks () msnbc com>
Date: December 8, 2005 6:58:57 PM EST
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Baghdad in your Backyard
Am I just getting too old? This clip seems wrong to me on so many levels...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5854686068870249151


Brock-
I'm sure you'll get a lot of email about this post, but I figured having attended and participated at several events such as the one in the video, I could offer you some insight into them and Title II firearms. These machine gun shoots have probably been going on since the Gun Control Act of 1968, but only now have others outside the community discovered them. Title II/Class 3 weapons are basically full auto machine guns, and a subset of other firearms, such as shotguns w/OAL less than 26" (see http://www.nraila.org/federalfirearms.htm#Sec.%205845 for detailed definitions). Many states prohibit the possession of such weapons, other states require often lengthy permitting processes (try 1.5 years in Mass), but regardless, you must purchase the weapon from a federally licensed Class 3 dealer, pay various transfer taxes (usually multiples of $200) and register the weapon with the ATF. So once you've gone through the trouble of securing one of these at considerable expense (the cheapest are still usually several thousands of dollars) and after much filing of paperwork, the dilemma is where to shoot it? These are *not* the guns you hunt deer with, or rob your 7-11 with, regardless of what the Bradys might like you to think (I'm curious, I wonder if anybody has a statistic for the number of crimes committed with a *registered* Title II weapon). Most are probably 60-70 years old, and might have seen service in several wars, not to mention being exceedingly rare, cantankerous and hellishly expensive to maintain and shoot. And most gun clubs prohibit their use, not mention discharging one in your backyard usually results in a neighbor calling the cops. So what happens when you've got one, spent tens of thousands of dollars on parts kits, loaders, ammo, and new shocks for your truck to carry it all? Well, like any group of enthuasists, they like to get together to show off their stuff, enjoy each others company and enjoy their hobby. If this means pounding a hillside in Bushleague, NH, ID or wherever with hundreds of thousands of rounds, then so be it. Getting to these events is not easy either, transporting these weapons across state lines is illegal without first obtaining permission from the government requiring you file your travel plans several months in advance. If there is ever an event held close to you, I'd recommend you go to it, every one I've been to has been professionally, safely and exceedingly well run and managed, and the amount of concentrated firepower is truly awesome. And completely legal.

Brgds,
Z
Gunless in DC


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