more on the film .. more on Video of SWAT raid on legal Utah rave

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

remember Kent State

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From: Joe Pistritto <jcp () jcphome com>
Date: August 27, 2005 12:29:46 AM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Cc: Sean.Glynn () Level3 com, rossmj () hotmail com
Subject: Re: [IP] the film .. more on Video of SWAT raid on legal  
Utah rave


Just from the way the people conducting the raid are *dressed* they  
appear to be military and not police.
(for instance, no large letters on their uniforms, camo not black  
uniforms etc.)  They also have field equipment you wouldnt expect a  
cop to be carrying around.  Also notice they have regular combat  
helmets and *no* face shields.  Which is more military than police.   
There looked to be one large truck in the area too which looked  
military.  They dont appear to have M-16s with them, but that would  
be standard in a crowd control operation, one wouldnt want a loaded  
weapon to get taken away by someone in the crowd and the guys moving  
into a crowd would want their hands free, not holding a weapon.    
Troops out of the field of view on the perimeter of the crowd might  
have been armed differently in that situation.

Now they might well be a National Guard unit which uses similar  
equipment to the regular Army for instance.  I'd think it'd be  
*really a lot of work* for a local police force to get authorization  
for a regular Army unit to attend one of their raids (especially if  
it wasn't Border Patrol or someone like that asking.   Plus the guys  
doing the raid didnt seem quite disciplined enough to be a regular  
Army formation).  Army units don't "go along" with other agencies  
generally, they control the op themselves. (and it being *inside* the  
US is a big big problem that anyone in the chain of command would  
know about.  They teach officers about that sort of thing.)

Its possible a local police force would 'borrow' some national guard  
troops for a large operation (the original person mentions several  
thousand people being there, I can imagine a local police force not  
having anywhere near enough officers available and asking the state  
government to loan them some Nat. Guard troops for the evening.)   
Nothing shown is out of reach of a national guard unit.  If that's  
true, the state government would know about it and have approved it  
(probably through the governor's office).  Your correspondent should  
follow up that angle and find out how often the National Guard gets  
used for stuff like this in that state.  It'd be pretty unusual in  
California, but states differ a lot.  They dont roll the NatGuard  
here until something big is burning up (like Los Angeles).   Happens,  
but rarely.

This commentary is completely aside of the issue of whether it was  
legal to raid this location or not.  I'd think a police department  
requesting aid from the State Government would have to have *some*  
reasonable justification though.  (You'd think, anyway, even in Utah.)

Best regards,
  -jcp-

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Farber" <dave () farber net>
To: "Ip Ip" <ip () v2 listbox com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 1:52 PM
Subject: [IP] the film .. more on Video of SWAT raid on legal Utah rave



> If this story is true then the town should be sued for a lot and  
> cost  the taxpayers that tolerate such actions a bunch of money each
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> From: "Glynn, Sean" <Sean.Glynn () Level3 com>
> Date: August 26, 2005 4:07:52 PM EDT
> To: dave () farber net
> Subject: RE: [IP] more on Video of SWAT raid on legal Utah rave
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> Footage of the raid. . . (Updated link on a mirrored site)
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> http://www.elevationproductions.net/downloads/videos/facism.mov
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net]
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 12:55 PM
> To: Ip Ip
> Subject: [IP] more on Video of SWAT raid on legal Utah rave
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> From: Richard Perlman <perl () lucent com>
> Date: August 26, 2005 2:37:36 PM EDT
> To: David Farber <dave () farber net>, Ip Ip <ip () v2 listbox com>
> Cc: rossmj () hotmail com
> Subject: Re: [IP] Video of SWAT raid on legal Utah rave
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>
> Aside from the obvious issues, if there were really soldiers (I.e. Not
> police) involved, then we have a whole other set of issues to address.
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> On 8/26/05 11:00, "David Farber" <dave () farber net> wrote:
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> > Begin forwarded message:
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> > From: Michael Ross <rossmj () hotmail com>
> > Date: August 26, 2005 12:43:22 AM EDT
> > To: dave () farber net
> > Subject: Video of SWAT raid on legal Utah rave
> >
> >
> > I should probably clarify that I read this second hand. ...
> > --Mike Ross
> >
> > ---start of story---
> > ... A few "troops" rushed the stage...
> > ... The soldiers attacked the guy...
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