more on more on CNN special on Iraq war intelligence failures

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

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From: Randall <4whp () insightbb com>
Date: August 24, 2005 7:52:20 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Cc: rca53 () columbia edu
Subject: Re: [IP] more on CNN special on Iraq war intelligence failures


BUT - before Tet, the US public was rather soundly supportive of the
war.  Militarily, the US did win Tet, but losses were so high that US
public opinion afterward turned against the war.

As Ho Chi Minh said:  "You will kill a thousand of us and we will kill a
hundred of you - and we will win".  With more than half the American
public now of the opinion that George's War was not worth the cost now,
imagine how We The People will react if the Iraqis impose Tet-level
casualties on the invading army.

On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 18:34 -0400, David Farber wrote:

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>
> From: "Robert C. Atkinson" <rca53 () columbia edu>
> Date: August 24, 2005 5:21:57 PM EDT
> To: dave () farber net
> Subject: Re: [IP] more on CNN special on Iraq war intelligence  
> failures
>
>
> Tet was a clear military victory for the United States in Vietnam:
> the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese were soundly defeated on the
> battlefield. But Tet was a public relations/propaganda disaster back
> in the United States, possibly because of the anti-war bias of the
> media.  If there is a "Tet like attack on Baghdad" will history
> repeat itself?  The insurgents will be undoubtedley be annihilated if
> they stand and fight so the question is whether they would win the
> propaganda war? Except for the "home front" propaganda issue, the US
> military is probably hoping for a Tet-like attack where they can
> confront and utterly destroy the enemy.
>
> And the "home front" is much different today than in the Tet-era: no
> anti-war protests on college campuses, soldiers are admired not
> reviled, there is strong political support for the troops in the
> field, the President has a strong core of support, and there is an
> effective rightwing/pro-war press (talk radio, Fox News Channel, the
> Washington Times, rightwing bloggers, etc.) to counter the leftwing/
> anti-war press.  So, a "Tet like attack on Baghdad" might be the best
> thing that could happen.
>
> Bob
>
> David Farber wrote:
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> >
> > From: chodge5 () utk edu
> > Date: August 24, 2005 4:32:13 PM EDT
> > To: David Farber <dave () farber net>
> > Subject: Re: [IP] CNN special on Iraq war intelligence failures
> >
> >
> >
> > Not sure if you caught Sy Hersch on the Daily Show the other night
> > http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/002302.html
> > He claims US intelligence now indicates the insurgency is
> > regrouping and
> > preparing for a TET-like attack on Baghdad, and the report this
> > morning of
> > a coordinated attack in West Baghdad seems to lend some credence to
> > his
> > claim. If there is a Battle for Baghdad looming, and the Green  
> > Zone is
> > isolated, the war may not drag on for years, as most people are
> > predicting.
> >
> > -c
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, David Farber wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:38:02 -0400
> > > From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
> > > To: ip () v2 listbox com
> > > Subject: [IP] CNN special on Iraq war intelligence failures
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: "Lauren Weinstein"<lauren () vortex com>
> > > Sent: 20/08/05 11:55:22 AM
> > > To: "dave () farber net"<dave () farber net>
> > > Cc: "lauren () vortex com"<lauren () vortex com>
> > > Subject: CNN special on Iraq war intelligence failures
> > >
> > >
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > Of possible interest (noted particularly for those IP readers who
> > > don't
> > > regularly watch TV news):
> > >
> > >    "Dead Wrong" -- Inside an Intelligence Meltdown
> > >     Sunday, August 21 (tomorrow)
> > >     8pm EDT
> > >     CNN
> > >     (scheduled repeats at 11pm, 2am, and later in the week)
> > >
> > > --Lauren--
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