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more on more on What if Cat Stevens had flown under a different name?


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:53:16 -0400



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From: Paul Levy <plevy () citizen org>
Date: September 23, 2004 6:35:20 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net, SBaker () steptoe com
Subject: Re: [IP] more on What if Cat Stevens had flown under a different name?

I understand the larger point that two different criticisms are
somewhatr at cross-purposes, but I wonder at the following statement:

"But the IP list has consistently derided and opposed the
government's effort to do just that"

Does the IP list have a position on that question?  I thought the idea
was to forward a variety of view on various questions.....

Paul Alan Levy
Public Citizen Litigation Group
1600 - 20th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20009
(202) 588-1000
http://www.citizen.org/litigation/litigation.html

David Farber <dave () farber net> 09/23/04 06:28PM >>>


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From: "sbaker () steptoe com" <sbaker () steptoe com>
Date: September 23, 2004 12:51:13 PM EDT
To: "'dave () farber net'" <dave () farber net>
Cc: "Albertazzie, Sally" <SAlbertazzie () steptoe com>
Subject: RE: [IP] What if Cat Stevens had flown under a different
name?

I can't resist responding to this.  Richard is right, of course.
Officials
need to know *which* John Smith they have in front of them.  How can
they do
that?  The way anyone would -- asking whether this is the John Smith
that
lives in Poughkeepsie and used to live in Knoxville and is married to
Mary
Smith.  But the IP list has consistently derided and opposed the
government's effort to do just that -- to create (in CAPPS II) a way
to
conduct quick, easy record checks that can provide "depth of field" to

an
identification.

It's fair (but not very sensible, in my view) to criticize CAPPS II on
privacy grounds.  It's not fair to criticize CAPPS II on privacy
grounds and
then to criticize the government's current system because it does a bad

job
of going beyond an individual's name.

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